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Dave47tuc
05-04-2005, 07:18 PM
All:)
There is a Aurora alert out at the moment. So keep a look out.
Have a look at this site, http://www.spacew.com/plots.php
Please report if you see any Aurora.
Good luck.
ballaratdragons
05-04-2005, 09:03 PM
I can't understand those graphs.
In normal mans talk, where should we look? South? Straight up?
Dave47tuc
05-04-2005, 09:06 PM
I don't go much on the graphs either:P
Look south my friend. You never know. I looked before nothing.
:D
ballaratdragons
05-04-2005, 09:14 PM
Thanks Dave. I'll be out there soon. Just letting the scope cool down naturally without the fan. I will report anything. I don't think our northern friends have much sky tonight according to weather report. Sky is 10/10 here.
I'd love to see one someday; it would be an unusual sight in Nth Qld. :)
Robby
05-04-2005, 09:27 PM
Nothing here in NZ tonight. Well not from 39°S anyway.
I would think tomorrow night we would more likely see some action...
Keep looking up!
Robby
05-04-2005, 09:29 PM
Here you go Mick.. One from November last year.http://www.2fdesign.co.nz/astronomy/Aurora/Aurora11.jpg
Cheers
Vermin
05-04-2005, 09:53 PM
Cheers for the heads-up. Spaceweather is supposed to email me when this happens, but the alert seems to have gone missing this time.
Unfortunately its 100% cloud cover here tonight anyway.
I've got a few pics from last Novembers show too (what a night that was!), you can see them here if interested:
http://www.webclot.com/photos/Aurora11Nov2004/FrameSet.htm
Robby
05-04-2005, 10:03 PM
Great shots Vermin... Your just a bit further South than I, you lucky bugger!
rowena
05-04-2005, 10:06 PM
this is the australian government website that monitors radio and space services, including aurora's and the suns flares.
http://www.ips.gov.au/
and the url for the space weather..
http://www.ips.gov.au/Main.php?CatID=2
no current alert for australia for aurora's but there is geomagnetic warning for the sun.
you can also report aurora's at this website and look at other reports.
Are the colours like that to the eye? very cool photos Robby and Vermin thanks. :)
Robby
05-04-2005, 10:14 PM
No you don't see that sort of colour with the eye. You do see colour however, albiet faintly.
Cheers
ballaratdragons
05-04-2005, 10:18 PM
Yes Mick, they look that good by eye!
Tom, what was the address of that Aurora site you gave last time. I was able to understand that one.
Vermin
05-04-2005, 10:37 PM
This one Ken?
http://www.spaceweather.com/
As to colour, earlier on in the night I could see my shadow by the aurora, colour was mostly yellow-green, the purple/red was not seen.
http://www.webclot.com/photos/Aurora11Nov2004/pages/DSCF0018L_filtered.htm
http://www.webclot.com/photos/Aurora11Nov2004/pages/DSCF0019L_filtered.htm
Later on in the night the reds were definitely visible towards the zenith.
http://www.webclot.com/photos/Aurora11Nov2004/pages/DSCF0142L_filtered.htm
Vermin
05-04-2005, 10:43 PM
STD Aurora Monitor shareware is worthwhile downloading if you want to keep an eye on all the info:
http://www.spacew.com/aurora/
The POES South plot and Costello KP index, are the ones to watch for current events. The GOES proton flux and Solar X-rays are good plots for determining what is headed our way.
ballaratdragons
05-04-2005, 10:45 PM
No Tom, that's not it. The one I mean had real-time sattelite imagery of the Aurora over the suface of the globe.
EDIT: I found it Tom. I did a site search and found your old post. Thanks. http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/
Vermin
05-04-2005, 10:55 PM
That sounds like the POES plots.
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/
Note that they are actually predicted auroral visibility levels based on proton flux density from one pass of a polar orbiting satellite, they are not actually satellite photos. See this for info:
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/Intro.html
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/html/200504051034S16.html
These are real images (far ultra violet), but are not updated as frequently:
http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/image/latest_wic.html
STD am will download all these images for you automatically. It's a bit of a heavy data load for a dial-up connection though.
ballaratdragons
05-04-2005, 11:03 PM
Thanks Tom,
That berkley one is very good. :cool2:
iceman
06-04-2005, 06:01 AM
Awesome shots Robby and Tom.
Vermin
27-05-2005, 03:07 PM
Another (mild) alert for this coming weekend for those in high latitudes:
http://spaceweather.com/
going to souther highlands on saturday... i'll keep an eye out :)
fringe_dweller
27-05-2005, 03:54 PM
Another good one is Graham Palmer of NZ's private email alert service - you can email Graham at gramy(at)globe(dot)net(dot)nz and he will put you on the list - also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southern-aurora/ is a great network too.
Cheers
Fringey
fringe_dweller
27-05-2005, 06:08 PM
Ken,
A few years ago I got some excellent guidance on aurora chasing/observing from a Kiwi aurora veteran, Ian Cooper (as have many people).
I had been chasing them for a few years already at the time - but hadnt clicked to a few important indicators.
My favourite indictator (presuming you have seen high alerts and basic indicators saying that aurora's are possible at your latitude and you want to go further with it that is) is to look out for the fast to press visual reports (and images thesedays) from NZ on STD http://www.spacew.com/ (scroll down to bottom of page) - in particular reports from the north island, as the lower part of the North Island is on roughly the same geomagnetic latitudes as southern mainland Australia (Adelaide) . You may need an atlas to achieve this for locations - thats what I do.
STD is a pig of a site to download using dial-up as everyone knows - but its the bees knees unfortunately. Seeing that Kiwi's see nightfall around 4 hours before we do - NZer's can act as, luckily by coincidence and chance, an early warning system for keen Aussies.
Not that that garauntees that you will see something at all - i find this type of observing the hardest - its not like a galaxy or object that you can just slew to any old time and see it. It reminds me a lot of fishing - sometimes the only bites you get are from mozzies - but now and then when everything aligns - you catch that monster and that makes all the disappointing trips worthwhile.
Expect it to be a waste of time or a very mild show - at least half the time - or maybe even 60% to 70% of the time, and you will enjoy it when it does happen.
It takes quite a while to get the hang of aurora chasing - it took me about three years just to get mildly good at it!! (and that was with the benefit of learning during a solar max)
Cheers
Fringey
Vermin
27-05-2005, 06:23 PM
The POES plots are a prediction of auroral activity based on proton flux (lots of red = good chance).
If the KP index gets above 5 there's a lot of magnetic fluctuation going on, which is an indicator of auroral activity.
Also, when you join the yahoo group shown in Fringey's post above you'll get a paper explaining the relevance of the inter planetary magnetic field graph.
The source for each of the graphs usually has an explanation on their web pages, just takes a bit of surfing and reading.
In layman's terms look towards the poles (south for most of us), midnight is supposed to be the best time, but I have seen storms peak earlier, just depends when the CME (coronal mass ejection) arrives. Even when I saw one peak at 9pm, there was still a second brightening around midnight.
fringe_dweller
27-05-2005, 06:31 PM
Barring all that you can just jump onto a plane and go to southernmost NZ at the right times (were they are considered a nuisance to observing probably!! LOL) - or alaska/finland/iceland - with volcanoes to boot :-)))) during their winter seasons! and see em any old time.
Cheers
fringey
Vermin
27-05-2005, 06:37 PM
Yep, I've heard a Finlander complain about the midnight sun in summer and auroral sky glow in winter when trying to chase down faint fuzzies.
fringe_dweller
27-05-2005, 06:41 PM
sorry - multiple posts!! - another excellent help is if you have an aurora buddy who lives in the country (if your in the city) and you can ring them and ask them to have a look on your behalf - or maybe they are already looking.- and tell you if its even worth trying - i have one or two of those - but their not always mega reliable heheh -- but sometimes its a big help.
Fringey
ballaratdragons
27-05-2005, 08:57 PM
I think the atmosphere, smog or whatever is changing too. I can remember seeing Auroras as a kid in the suburbs of Sydney around 9pm regularly. (at least three times a year) There wasn't a lot of light pollution back then (1960's and 70's) but that is a fair way north.
I have not seen any since my childhood in Sydney! and I live in a very dark place and watch the sky more often.
fringe_dweller
28-05-2005, 04:40 PM
You must of been unlucky not to see any activity from a dark sky location in Victoria Ken!
I have been resisting annoying the hell out of the younger members of IiS with another groanworthy "remember the good old days" from me - but i have to say the obvious - I remember when the streetlights went off 11PM and then 1 am later on - even if I was only a kid - and they werent very bright anyway when they were on, those gas lamps - hehee no i mean early versions of streetlights :) apparently you use to be able to discover comets visually from your backyard!!
I have posted a map of the comparison of the position geomagnetic pole as compared to the earths spinning axis pole. I had a hell of a time finding a good geomagnetic grid map overlayed with the normal latt long, so i am using one that Ian sent to me a while ago. There used to be a few more around on the net but they have dissappeared? they used to be one that you entered your normal co-ordinates in and you got your geomagnetic co-ordinates, but i cant find it now. the magnetic pole of course moves around very slowly over time - this present era sees Oz and NZ in prime position (for populated areas) for the southern lights. This map is for 1995 - but i dont think it has moved a lot since then? As you can see Melboune is at 50º south!! in regards to magnetic pole. So we arent as far north as we think! The solar max in the 60's was apparently a big active one - this last one was the mildest one for a while i think?.
Cheers
Fringey
Vermin
31-05-2005, 02:42 AM
The clouds parted just enough to give me a tantalising glimpse of the aurora tonight.
All I got to see was the top of the activity, which was better than nothing as it was raining with 100% cloud cover earlier. It stayed clear overhead for about 30min from 0:30 to 01:00.
Lots of movement/pulsating sheets and rays, but quite faint as I was only seeing the top of the activity due to low lying cloud on the horizon.
Got a few pics, nothing great though:
http://www.webclot.com/photos/Aurora31May2005/index.html
Vermin
31-05-2005, 09:50 AM
Yuck! I have got to get a new monitor at home. The phosphor on the one I used to adjust the levels of last nights photos has faded (from sun exposure), and looking at the pics on my monitor at work shows this badly. I'll have a go at reprocessing the images sometime in the next few days, but will keep the existing filenames and directory structure.
fringe_dweller
31-05-2005, 05:31 PM
Nice one Tom - I was imagining I was there watching them while viewing your great pics - as close i can get at the mo - thanx for sharing them again :)
Cheers
Fringey
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