A Trump win, good for Astro gear ?

[Somnium]

So the usd might be taking a nose dive if Trump wins. Could be a good time to pick up some cheap Astro gear

[raymo]

Not if our dollar falls as well.
raymo

[Somnium]

In the immortal words of Einstein , it's all relative

[barx1963]

If you go to the US there will be lots more dark skies as the lights go out!!

Malcolm

[blindman]

Einstein was a cheater

[el_draco]

Why do have the distinct feeling "Idiocracy" has just become a reality... :shrug:

[el_draco]

Be careful, it could just be a nuclear Winter... :(

... and by the way, the stock market just dumped $32 billion... and counting!!

[xelasnave]

Is he President yet?
If so I think he is a wonderful man.
If not phew!
Alex

[gregbradley]

Aussie dollar has already fallen on anticipation of his win. Don't see why the US dollar would fall. It might but nothing is guaranteed. He may be seen as someone who can turn around their debt problem so the Aussie dollar may fall.

Greg.

[xelasnave]

Clear case of under estimating someone.
I said very early not to underestimate him just because he says outrageous things.
He knew any publicity is good publicity and those who wrote him off failed to understand that.
Hopefully he has proved he is a good politician and can now go back on his promises and get on with some rational plan he has for all of us.
I think they got what they deserved.
Great show millions spent and next the lawyers...recount revolution war depression same old same old.
Alex

[xelasnave]

Buy when there is blood in the street.
Sometime next week should do it.
Alex

[beren]

Cheaper astro gear is always good but surely Trump can't win, be another sad day in world history if he does.......I think of Stephan Kings The dead zone with Trump going for the presidency.

[Nath2099]

Pity about the rest of us.

Bring on the Chinese century.

EDIT: Thank god I got my super out of the sharemarket, and didn't buy property in Sydney recently!

[el_draco]

The Canadian immigration website just crashed... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Somnium]

I did! Starting to get a little worried

[xelasnave]

Don't worry some of us may survive.
Its all part of the plan.
There is too much money in the world.
The powers need to create some poverty so the struggle is spread over the mob.
Seriously don't worry what could go wrong.
Alex

[Atmos]

I picked his win months ago. My reasoning was simply that... he's crazy enough to be elected ;)

[billdan]

Well so much for opinion polls, they are just worthless, when you consider the poll predictions of Brexit and forecasting a Clinton win.

[Nath2099]

Racism *trumps* rationality. What can you say.

[glend]

Trump did promise a 45% tariff on Chinese imports, that would suggest many scopes will increase in price significantly in the US or through US retailers. How will JOC and Synta respond if faced with a tariff? Explore Scientific is owned by JOC, it is just a branding operation. GSO is Taiwanese, will Trump see them as Chinese? Astrotech USA is again a branding business. This will take some time to play out.

[Wavytone]

The thought that he can start a first strike at the press of a button ... he's crazy enough to do it.

More like though is an ugly war with China, and a hideous mess in the Middle East.

[xelasnave]

Movement means money in someone's pocket.
Any idea who is cleaning up.

Alex

[casstony]

The more desperate a population becomes the more likely it is to elect a crazy leader; Trump's rise to power seems logical under the current economic conditions (largely created by Wall street banksters).

But don't worry today - Sun is warm, grass is green.

[xelasnave]

Can he?
Is it a one man thing?
Now that he is President we must give him some credit for pulling it off.
He must be better than crazy... Must be..please make it true...please.

Will he build the wall..probably cheaper than the army of folk chasing "wet backs" as they called Mexicans the last time some politician ran with the keep the out trip.

Will he export the illegals...maybe but what a boost to the economy..lawyers will be happy and think of the crew needed to round them up.

Keep out Muslims as well...mmm will he or maybe tone it down a lot?

Something his ex bulter said about him when asked how he would go at a state dinner...
He will morph into whatever he has to be...
I hope that means something good.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Another thing...just how much power does a President have?
His powers can't be like the monarchs of old..
In his business life did he use advisors, consultants, accountants, marketing folk?

I mean can one man absolutely guide control the country.
Alex

[Exfso]

Alex, I think DT thinks he is a god, and that really scares the crap out of me.:screwy:

[xelasnave]

Peter I think DT probably has a higher opinion of himself than you suggest.
Alex

[Somnium]

so we can hit all three taboo topics with Trump, he boasts about his tremendous wealth, thinks he is god and is now president ... the money, religion and politics trifecta

[rat156]

You forgot speed cameras for the Quaddie!

https://youtu.be/Btt9--rz8eA

Fixed

Stu

[xelasnave]

I have never felt less optimistic.
The frightening thing is he was elected.
What does that tell us.
Alex

[SimmoW]

Its all irrelevant, with all the fallout and nuclear winter, the seeing is gonna suck! Go long on nuclear bunker builders

[speach]

struth, never mind the earth will still revolve around the sun, even that idiot can't stop that.

[skysurfer]

This unguided missile, lunatic and 'friend' of Putin is president of the US ???

The American Kim Yong Un ?

Bad for the EU, Australia and many other countries, including the US.

[el_draco]

Gog help the divided states of America.... What a **** up!

[hobbit]

Pretty much.

[xelasnave]

I took the time to watch his victory speech.
I thought it was very good actually.
He sort to heal the wounds and tell the world he was determined to get on nicely with all.
He is presenting a more rational face.
Much much better than I expected it will be interesting to see how the markets react today.
Alex

[jwheel69]

As a citizen of the USA, I feel the same way.

Joe Wheelock
Fort Davis, TX

[xelasnave]

What is interesting is where he got support.
From groups that you would think would avoid him.
The people have spoken er shouted actually.
I think they are happy to burn down the house to get rid of the fleas and many are seeing the result as a finger up to "the establishment".
Hopefully things will only get better.
If we all hope hard enough everything will be alright.

Alex

[xelasnave]

From what I can find markets responded positively to Trumps speech.
So far so good.
Smith and Wesson shares have fallen dramatically cause gun control less likely and folk are not stocking up more guns.

I am encouraged the market is so responsive to speeches.
So long as Trump keeps saying all is great maybe they will run with that...
Really how do they do things on other planets?

Alex

[PeterM]

Totally agree Alex, I also thought his speech was very good.

[pixelsaurus]

The deranged leading the delusional.

[xelasnave]

Thanks Peter I find great hope in the fact that we both thought the speech was good.

I mean if we do other will also.

The markets at the moment are responding well and I think mainly to the speech.

I can relate to Trumps style in so far as I will say outrageous things to focus attention and yet inside I am cool and ordered.

I am full of hope.

He may lift world opinion of USA because there is a perception he will be less than one sided in the middle east.

If so that will go a long way to soothing the rift between the crusaders and the Muslims.

Anything to get us past that mentality will be great.

I was so happy to see him try to heal the rifts.

His tribute to Hillary was so far away from his cries that he would send her to prison I felt yes this man is going to be a great politician.

And that perhaps is now our concern.

But hopefully his ravings were mere theatrics.

I would do similar to gain office but once in office I would gather great minds to do the work and spend my days telling folk how great the world is.

Alex

[Nath2099]

Here's an interesting read for you. This is what is going to happen to those exact people who voted for him, who deserve it, and a whole bunch more who didn't, so don't.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13572172/donald-trump-white-working-class

If he goes down this path, there will be a recession, if not a depression, and this time, Australia will not be immune. Get your cash out of the bank folks. This is gonna get ugly.

[glend]

The market responds to what is good for those in the market. Trump's platform of a 15% business tax immeadiately makes all those listed companies more profitable and thus the market is pricing that in, hence the rise. Given that the Republicans control all levels of government now, the delivery of promises is not the sort of road block that we have here. It remains to be seen how this affects the US budget, debt levels, etc but the Donald has never cared much for paying back debt, but cannot just declare bankrupcy again to escape the US creditors.
The speech was out of character but 'designed' to be one of those 'lets all work together' messages of conciliation.it was not off the cuff as he was reading it off the teleprompter. Many of his rabid supporters were disappointed with that speech as being weak and not Donald. A speech designed by a committee to achieve a purpose and not offend - classic politics 101.

[AstralTraveller]

I'm sure Lisa will rescue the situation. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjM1yCcqTQ&feature=youtu.be

[xelasnave]

Thanks for the link Nath.
It will be interesting to see what happens re health care.
Follow the money.
The beneficiaries of any health scheme are the doctors, the medical suppliers the drug companies and insurance companies.

That is where the money goes.

The patient is hardly a consideration.

And I don't like anyone's chances of wrestling that juicey bone away from all those who are chewing on it.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Hi Glen
The rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
That won't change.
Same result yet half think its good half think its bad.
I just think it is.
Alex

[jenchris]

Meade used to be made in Mexico until they moved to China....
I wonder how he expects that to pan out.
He's got 4 years. Barely enough time to bankrupt Zimbabwe never mind USA

[PeterM]

Good one Jen you brought it back to the original posters question! Indeed from an Astro gear point of view will be interesting to see how/if/when his policies affect companies like Meade in the US and if they wait it out or start making changes from hereon. Meade are way overpriced in Australia as it is, but that appears to be a local issue.

[pmrid]

A little crystal-ball gazing at a point about a year from now - Trump will be found to be yet another emperor with no clothes.

Rhetoric does not govern a complex state. Those who voted for him in what someone below described as an index-finger to the establishment are probably right but that means Trump has a mass of expectations out there demanding to be filled and of course, he will find he can't.

In a year's time, my gut feeling is that America will be a chaos of division and anger. More that it is now. It's foreign policies will be an invitation to states such as China and Russia to step up their bellicose behavior, old allies in Europe will be unable to justify turning the other cheek to Trump and will begin to move away from the old alliances. NATO will become seriously fragile and world tension will have risen by an order of magnitude.

Peter

[Ric]

Does anyone know of his policy on NASA?

Haven't heard or even found anything regarding this.

Cheers

[PeterM]

Found this..http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/9/13574194/nasa-earth-science-trump-presidency-space-policy-private-partnerships

[atalas]

Is he?well at least his not a serial killer!

[Ric]

Cheers Peter, thank you for that.

Technically it looks like a win / loss situation.

[atalas]

:lol:that sounds like a big crystal ball to me Peter.

[Nath2099]

Give it a few years of Trump authoritarianism and we can likely add crimes against humanity, and war crimes to the list. That's worse than serial killer.

[pmrid]

ALDI. They have them on special!!;)
Peter

[atalas]

Is that right?so,you didn'tcatch any of the hillary clinton congressional hearing?seems clear to me that crimes against humanity and war crimes have already been committed don't you think?but hey Im sure the FBI won't find reason to charge him either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9zVgOiHzH0

check them all out and you might see why Trump is the President !It's amazing to me that anyone voted for Clinton.

But hey I'm sure It's all Russia fault:rolleyes:

[Nath2099]

Well that's true, Clinton is a war monger. As someone on a blog I was reading earlier said, "America had a choice between corrupt or crazy, they chose crazy. Possibly in the hopes that things might change".

[glend]

The ABC (Aus) had a story this morning analysing the voter turn out. Apparently there were 231 million eligible voters but only 128.8 million bothered to vote. Out of the 128.8 million Trump won just over half, around 65-70 million or only 28-30% of eligible voters. This is hardly a mandate for reform, but it is a sad indication that many voters could not be bothered voting, either because they disliked both candiates or general apathy.
This is a great example of why voting should be compulsory there, as it is here. At least it would force people to make a choice. As it is at present, the winner just has to be better at mobilising the support base regardless of the platform.

[Nath2099]

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. My apologies if I've offended anyone, just calling it as I see it.

[xelasnave]

Settle down folks.
And give thanks to the wonderful mods on this most excellent site for letting this thread continue.

Discussion is healthy. We are all seeking a rationalisation of what we all are somehow worried about.
Spitting the dummy is unproductive so let's all be nice and if you want to comment perhaps be respectful firstly to the office of president and respectful to views that may differ from your own.
We are witnessing history and democracy no need to panic.
Alex

[atalas]

Yes,and lets hope they change for the better.....one thing I'm sure is that If the "Crazy man"didn't get in there would be no hope for change.:)

[xelasnave]

I like his space policy.
I truely believe we have enough research on climate to tell us all we need to know. One research paper or one hundred won't change the fact it is happening and that nothing will stop human consumption...
Its about slicing the pie give a big slice to new space research.
Alex

[clive milne]

Oh, I don't know about that... If Clinton had got in, we would have seen a direct military confrontation with Russia which would have turned nuclear, sooner rather than later.

It will be an interesting test of Trump to see if he continues America's policy of covertly arming Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Islamic State, etc... (and the neo-Nazi's in Ukraine)

[xelasnave]

Glen I bet if the vote was compulsory Trump would have probably won by a land slide.
The result suggests that most are in happy with the the system.
But I wonder why they don't have a compulsory vote...probably would infringe their rights somehow...go figure
Alex

[clive milne]

And for what it's worth, I am not a fan of Donald Trump.
imho) He is the second most dangerous individual to have run for the job (arguably) in the history of the US. The most dangerous being Shillary.

Here are a selection of his intentions.
Let business operate as regulation-free as possible, facilitating greater corporate predation.
Direct the Treasury security to declare China a currency manipulator – on the one hand wanting better relations with Russia, he says; on the other, contesting China’s economic policy unfairly.
Allow unrestricted fossil fuel production, instead of prioritizing development and use of alternative green energy sources.
Authorize construction of the environmentally destructive Keystone Pipeline and similar projects.
Cancel US participation in UN climate change programs.
Replace Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia with someone matching his right-wing extremism.
Cancel federal funding for Sanctuary Cities.
Mass deport millions of undocumented (largely Latino) immigrants.
Cancel visas to foreign countries unwilling to take them back.
Suspend immigration from so-called “terror-prone regions,” largely the Middle East, ignoring America’s responsibility for creating ISIS and likeminded groups.
Simplify the tax code from seven to three brackets.
Cut taxes, largely benefitting high-income Americans.
Cut the corporate tax rate (few firms pay) from 35 – 15%.
Replace Obamacare with health savings accounts – swapping one failed system for a worse one.
Cut approval red tape to let inadequately tested drugs be offered for sale.
Build a wall along America’s border with Mexico, its government funding the cost.
Increase America’s gulag prison system population by imposing mandatory minimum sentences for undocumented immigrants reentering the country after being deported.
Get tougher on crime and so-called illicit drugs than already.
Increase funding and other resources for already militarized state and local police.

Additional policies he’ll pursue include greater support for Israel than already, including recognizing Jerusalem as its capital, breaching international law.

He wants the Iran nuclear deal abolished. He’ll likely ignore it rather than rescind an international agreement involving seven countries, including the five permanent Security Council members.

He wants a more robust, expanded US military instead of major cutbacks needed along with ending all imperial wars.

[AstralTraveller]

Well ...... we are certainly witnessing history. There is a new lizard at the top!

I can understand how the promise of making America great again is appealing but what does it mean? If it means improving the living standards of average (and below average) citizens then that is good. If it means subjugating the rest of the world to America's interests then it is reprehensible. If it means Astrophysics gear in every observatory - bring it on :lol:.

[clive milne]

It's cold comfort, but there is a degree of perverse satisfaction in seeing the Democrats become undone after the blatant, egregious rigging of the primaries at Bernie Sander's expense.

[clive milne]

What... has a Rothschild/Rockefeller died?

[clive milne]

The one (potential) silver lining in all this is that the Clinton crime syndicate might possibly be subject to due process of law. (not holding my breath) The fact that the media hasn't touched on their criminal history shows how utterly corrupt the whole top echelon of the establishment really is. Between herself and bad Billy, there have been as many 'associates' found murdered or deceased under suspicious circumstances as there were witnesses snuffed in connection to the Warren commission... and that's an impressively high water mark of sorts!

[julianh72]

This is to me one of the greatest indictments of the American political system - that people just can't be bothered to get out and vote, even when the prospect of one of the candidates becoming President is so appalling. (Or maybe because BOTH of the mainstream candidates were appalling? :question: )

I can't help thinking the rest of the World took a greater interest in who won the 2016 US Presidential race than the American electorate!

[AstralTraveller]

I take your point but the original text did refer to elected 'leaders'.

[atalas]

One thing at a time Clive.....avert WWIII....then busyness as usaul.

[xelasnave]

I just hope each week ,on TV, he calls in the team and fires someone.
Alex

[DarkKnight]

Relax, he's only able to do what the US equivalent of the Public Service lets him do.

And be thankful that we don't have US style elections here or we may have PM Pauline. :rofl:

[pmrid]

Running an election on a Tuesday doesn't make it very easy for people to vote. If you have to commute to work, get kids to school ettc etc, voting on. Tuesday would have a low priority for many people.
Peter

[Nath2099]

So we delete posts around here with no explanation. Nice.

[AstralTraveller]

Yes, it seems odd and it's a historical anachronism. The ABC explained it here (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-08/why-do-americans-vote-on-a-tuesday/7997998). BTW I asked some American students and they don't know why either.

[xelasnave]

Don't let it upset you the mods treat us as being intelligent enough to work out our mistakes.

Just relax enjoy the show.

Alex

[Nath2099]

The problem is, my FACTUAL post (it was not opinion, it is verifiable fact) was no doubt against the TOS, as is, as the person I upset mentioned, most of the rest of this thread. I assume the TOS state no religion/politics (Which I STRONGLY agree with), I can't seem to find them anywhere, but let's be consistent. They all go, or none of them do. Unless the mods wish to suggest exactly how I breached the TOS when no-one else has?

[bojan]

Also, this forum is for Amateur Astronomy... not for politics.
Clear skies folks...

[xelasnave]

Hi Nath
If you signed up you would have said you read the TOS if you say you assume that means you did not read them.

I like to approach the forum this way.
If you upset someone its best to try and fix it, if the mods do something accept it and work it out, and move on.
Maybe your post was complained about and the mods dealt with that complaint
There is no need to feel wronged or whatever.
Of course we are all breaking the rules but we don't do it often.
In any event the mods do a great job here by letting us self regulate and we ate very privelledged in this regard.
And it has nothing to do with fact or ridgid application of the rules.
I can't recall exactly what you said but if a complaint was acted upon thank goodness we only lost your post, which is sad, but the complaint was addressed you may have missed out but it is only a big deal if you can't move on...and there is no need to upset yourself really.
Alex

[75BC]

I have a theory about this and it's that some people have no interest in politics. They see politicians as people on a sports field. All playing the same game but for different teams.
These people don't care who wins and therefore don't see why they should not leave it to people who ARE interested to vote.
Like I said it's just a theory.

[AussieTrooper]

A mate of mine put it similarly.
"It is a choice between palliative care (Clinton) and radical surgery with a 90% chance of fatality (Trump)".

It turns out that calling people racists/bigots/whatever, whilst claiming to be 'tolerant' yourself, just motivates them to get out and vote. Similar to Brexit. There must be quite a few European leaders who are more than a little worried right now.

As to the original topic, the biggest fear/prediction was of issues with the stockmarket and exchange rates. This appears not to have happened, so the effect may well be minor.
Perhaps with China partially shut out of the US market, we will be a more attractive export destination for them.

[Nath2099]

While a lot of racists did vote for Trump, and there have already been many reports of race hate, a lot of normal rational folk must have too. The only thing I think it can be put down to is a big fat middle finger to politicians of all persuasions... and that I'm all for. The system has to change, and this might be the catalyst.

I just feel for America's blacks and other minorities who have to put up with all the racist sh.t in the mean time. The MRA's and White Supremacist types will be well emboldened by this, and when they work out that Trump simply can't deliver what they want...

[The_bluester]

I heard it interestingly put on the radio this morning. the suggestion was that there was a very high portion that you would regard as a protest vote. Voting for Trump because he seemed to be the antithesis of the "Washington elite" and never expecting him to actually win it. Combine a large protest vote with non compulsory voting, a "First past the post" system and the electoral college where getting 50%+1 of the votes in a single very populous state could net you around 20% of the electoral college votes that you need to win through to the presidency and the result could easily be unexpected.

at least with compulsory voting and the preferential system in Aus, a protest vote against the majors if you are in one of the many seats that is always going to fall to one of the big parties is generally going to boil down eventually to a vote to your least undesired major party rather than unexpectedly electing the candidate from the "Total loony party" that happened to be at the top of the ticket when half the electorate cast a donkey vote.

[billdan]

It was reported this morning it was the lowest voting turnout since 2000, around 55% of registered voters actually voted.

The USA that calls itself worlds greatest democracy, we have 25% of the pop voted for the winner, 25% voted for the loser and around 50% couldn't be bothered.

[Nath2099]

Couldn't be bothered or couldn't stomach either of the choices...

[KWR]

I honestly believe that Trump has just duped everyone. He played the game, and he played it better than anyone expected. The current establishment and mainstream media still want you to believe that he is some sort of psychopath that is hell bent on the destruction of an already crippled nation. I don't subscribe to this. This is an individual that built and amassed wealth in 'old America', and he seem's hell bent on bringing back the good old times. Greed is a very strong motivator, just ask Hillary and all of her backers lurking in the shadows. I hate to admit it, but America was built on the back of it's people, by it's people (of all race and creed), very much like Australia. Recent times have seen that eroded to the haves, and have not's, driven by the elites and their underhanded shonky dealings with the establishment. Gee...again I must draw comparison with Australia.

My personal opinion of Clinton (and her string pullers) is poor, I have a bad habit of taking note of the goings on that don't make it to mainstream media. I think I will leave my opinion of Trump a little longer. In the last 48hrs, I'm starting to see glimpses of some rather intelligent actions which are changing some of my perceptions. (Again, not something you will likely pick up on from mainstream media). Without a doubt, some very interesting times ahead.

[julianh72]

I can understand not being able to stomach either of the major party candidates, but I can't forgive "can't be bothered" when it comes down to something as important as the leadership of your own country - and especially when it's the most powerful country on Earth.

There is plenty that you may feel is "wrong" with the Australian political system, and much that you may wish to change, but at least our compulsory voting system means that we are in no doubt as to which party candidate is preferred in each electorate, and in Australia as a whole.

When faced with a choice between "Dumb and Dumber", or "Dumber and Dumberer", or "Awful and Awfuller", you HAVE to get out and vote - whether it's for the lesser of two evils, or a minority party, or even an informal vote ("None of the above"). If people don't vote at all, then they become irrelevant to the party system - there is no point in framing policies and setting aside expenditure for people who won't be motivated to vote for or against the candidates; all that matters is appealing to the people who actually get out and vote. If people vote AGAINST the candidates that are presented, the parties have to take notice, because they will realise that these are votes that they might be able to win back.

I can understand the anger and feeling of impotence when the major parties seem to ignore the needs and will of the people, but copping out and leaving the decision-making to somebody else is not an option, as far as I am concerned.

[xelasnave]

I posted this on a site in USA just now...like sticking your hand in an ants nest .....

The post.....

I would think once one has everything one will probably seek immortality in the sence of being remembered such that your name goes into the history of the world.

And I would expect if you are at that level your desire would be to be remembered and held up as one of the greatest men to have lived.

I suspect that to reach that high point one will be seeking to do the very best and better than those both before and after you.

It would not surprise me if Trump seeks such high recognition.

Hopefully all will benefit if he keeps applying his talent to achieve that sort of success.

He clearly enjoys recognition for being the best and as president hopefully that will be to everyone's benefit.

And if we all remain positive and happy our share portfolios won't crash.

Alex

[The_bluester]

The troubling thing to me was the rampant "Belief" he seemed to generate even in adherents here in Aus. Listening to the radio on my way home earlier this week someone called in on talkback and his statement was that he believed Trump would be a good president because he would "Get things done" and when the presenter challenged him on how he would do that the (Serious) response was that "Trump will get things done" when challenged a second time with a bit more detail along the lines of "What policy of Trump's will result in that" the response was the same "Trump will get things done, I don't know how, but he will"

The messianistic approach to politics troubles me, particularly as a portion seem to lap it up. You could draw parallels with Australia's political addiction to campaigning in three word slogans instead of policies.

[xelasnave]

Hi Paul

I think it reasonable to have faith in him given he is not a career politician and has just won the highest office in the world and beat everyone on his side and the other side spending less money and beating a media that did everything to turn public opinion against him.
He has talent.
Like Napoleon not being a Frenchman and becoming top dog.
Yes I do believe he can get things done and if I am correct he is seeking immortality to be remembered as the best.
That means he must deliver to everyone.
I bet he worked all that out before I did.

If he were such a fool as all would have him to be his victory speech would have been one you could expect from a meglamaniac..it was not.
It may have been written for him I don't know..if it was great he has arrived if he wrote it I say magnificent.
To be a leader you start with your mob and fight the next mob but a point comes where to lead you have to pull together them with us..he had started that process.

Promote calm lest not panic the markets.

Alex

[Nath2099]

Donald Trumps only talent is for ripping people off. It's how he made his fortune. Well that and populist sloganeering obviously...

It'll be interesting how it goes when he tells China "the US is only paying half its debt, if you want the rest, sue us", which is by all reports how he handles his business affairs. Superpowers don't tend to sue for what they want...

[Nath2099]

"It may have been written for him I don't know"

It sounds like he typed into Google "What to say when you win an election" and copied the first link verbatim.

[Ric]

So I hear that there is going to be a new national anthem for America.


The Benny Hill theme tune.

http://newsthump.com/2016/11/09/us-to-replace-national-anthem-with-the-benny-hill-theme/

Works for me. :D

[AstralTraveller]

Nah, it's too cheap and flippant for the occasion. I'd prefer something a bit more formal that set a tone appropriate to The Don - the theme from Get Smart comes to mind. Can't you just picture him striding to the stage to the strains of that rousing anthem. Of course for family occasions he could use the theme to The Addams Family.

[julianh72]

No - the "Looney Tunes" theme would be far more apt!

[PeterM]

Hysteria and very little talk about can he do a good political job as president. And tough anyways whatever we may think he is now the president and if he doesn't do a good job then he will be ... fired. He has many people to answer to and he can be removed from office.
But this thread has gone way off the OP posting. So is there any thoughts about how it may impact Astronomical products and pricing for us? The dollar is not that far off what it was and if US markets keep improving on his sprooked spending policies then the AUD may again become a 50cent peso, bad for Astrogear.

[xelasnave]

In spite of how it must appear I really wanted Hillary to win for no other reason than she is a woman.
But looking at all of what is going on it makes me so happy to be an Australian.
Happy that our social problems are small in comparison to USA.

Alex

[xelasnave]

I would not take any risks buy now buy big... The right time to buy a house, start a business or get married is never right but given the number of stars etc you cant wait because there is only one life time to see it all... Best to glet started right away.

Alex

[Stardrifter_WA]

I don't think our dollar will improve anytime soon and it is likely to head further south by the end of next year. AUD0.50 could become a reality. I am holding off selling my US funds for that reason. I bought when it was over a dollar, so I am okay for astro gear for a while.

As for Trump influencing this, I think diddly squat will happen. After all, he can't go to Congress and say 'You're Fired! The balance of power hasn't shifted that much and it will be business as usual. And, I don't think Trump is stupid, so he won't do anything that will wreck the US economy, as he stands to lose too if he does. The money men will prevail!

[xelasnave]

And with folk in USA not buying up on guns there will be more cash available to buy scopes which will create demand pressure which can only increase world prices for teleoscopes.
Clearly buy now and tell that little voice in your head it makes sence to buy now.
Alex

[Stardrifter_WA]

Alex, I always listen to the little voices in my head that say buy now! I bought most of my early Nagler eyepieces when the dollar was close to 47c, so I don't bother thinking about price. If you just keep looking and not doing, life just passes you by.

I have noticed that as the quality of scopes increase out of China they are also going up in price anyway.

[75BC]

I was thinking about his comments on bringing back jobs currently outsourced to other countries for the cheap labour is going to push prices up because manufacturing costs will go up. :question:

[xelasnave]

I am not posting this as a "I told you so" but in an effort to have folk remain happy and not fear that the world will come to an end.

Mr. Trump has told some mob on Wall Street that he will not be abolishing the health care system we call Obama Care.

Many folk are in the 1st or 2nd stage of grief but he seems to be at stage 3 and hopefully very soon we can all get to stage 5 and get back to footy scores and Kim K's fashion statements.

Alex

[el_draco]

Meee To! :cool::party::jump:

[el_draco]

Apparently... a creationist will be in charge of science!!! "It'll the end of the world as we know it!!" I reckon if he pushes his agenda, someone will exercise the second amendment and there'll be the start of a civil war in the making :screwy:

[bojan]

Reductio ad absurdum... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum)

[kinetic]

I quite like Kinky Friedman's take on the state of US politics. In fact I have enjoyed his opinion of a lot of things:)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-05/national-press-club-address:-kinky-friedman/7905594?pfmredir=sm

There is one glimmer of hope in one part of his views.
Where he says that once thrown into the deep end of high office, even people like Churchill became great leaders in the end, when the time before
coming to office they were not exactly perfect human beings.

[xelasnave]

The point of my post was to point out that his adgenda may change.

Or will he be the first person in politics to make "promises" that somehow don't become reality.

There will be no carbon tax under etc etc...
There will be no gst etc etc

If he does everything he says I suggest it will be a first in politics.

Unlike his opponents he listened to folk and didn't tell them their beliefs were stupid thus alienating them.

Folk are hurting because he won and what hurts most he beat them at their own game and spent less money to win.

He stole voters who were taken for granted by those expert in the game.

That hurts.

But he won the most powerful office in the world.

I don't see how he can do much the country has major problems which will not go away or be solved by anyone.

God bless America...I certainly hope so.

Alex

[firstlight]

Yet.

[clive milne]

Churchill was one of the greatest leaders of all time... well, that was my opinion before I became a student of history.

Now, after much study on the subject, I believe he was one of the most unconscionable and corrupt psychopaths ever to have misappropriated God's oxygen. The deeply flattering caricature we associate with the memory of Winston can be put down to the momentum of propaganda. The truth of it is vastly different. At best, he was little more than a perpetually drunk puppet with rivers of blood on his hands and was instrumental in the financial ruination of a generation (the world over).

[astroron]

That was a fantastic 1 hours entertainment.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Thanks for posting Steve.
Cheers:thumbsup:

[Stardrifter_WA]

Really Clive? What does that make his ally Stalin and his arch nemesis Hilter then? A couple of choir boys? And, lets not forget Mao.

I am not disagreeing with you Clive, as I am aware of his unconscionable conduct. But, I guess it is all in the comparison.

http://www.popten.net/2010/05/top-ten-most-evil-dictators-of-all-time-in-order-of-kill-count/

[Stardrifter_WA]

Here is a voice of reason among the hysteria:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-12/opinion-dave-levinthal-washington-reels-but-trump-faces-battle/8017624

[Astrophe]

Spotted outside a London cafe:

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....and this one:

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[AussieTrooper]

The most interesting thing I've heard him say was to US car manufacturers in Michigan and Ohio. "If you close these factories and move them to Mexico, I will put a 35% tax on them and nobody will buy your cars."
It's unusual, because one of the fears was that he was just going to look after his 'own kind'. If he practices what he preaches (by no means certain), the US is more likely to be better off than if Hillary got in.
His more crazy ideas (trade war etc) are unlikely to pass congress, whilst more sensible protectionist and immigration policies are likely to get through.

[kinetic]

Glad you liked it Ron.
The navigator was a good yarn. I felt like he was talking about my old man.

Steve

[xelasnave]

It seems like Bill is taking notice of Trump by addressing workers concern as his position on importing workers is changing (as we speak as they say) and so it should.
Importing nurses, only one example, seems very very wrong, just in order to get more complient non union labour. So it is an ill wind that blows no good.

Alex

[Giritboy]

If the currency drops. Definetly it eill be worth buy stuff from thr states.:)