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Paul Haese
29-04-2016, 02:09 PM
I finally got together all the narrow band data on this object over the last week or so. Total integration is 19 hours.

I have been trying to find a way to use narrow band data to produce RGB stars (as several other images do exactly that) and I think I have managed to get a reasonable facsimile. It involves a bit of trial and error but essentially I combine the Ha SII OIII to RGB. Then colour match the whole image to what it ought to look like in RGB. Then copy and paste this image onto the NB image and use lighten mode for blending mode. Finally use replace colour tool and highlight the red/orange stars and then adjust that colour to a more yellow colour. You can do this by selecting the stars only too and then just adjust the opacity.

Things that I find are missing using only NB data though is the luminance in the cloud data you get from using the actual luminance data. There is also the natural charcoal look to the sky which is missing and the colours of the RGB nebula which gives a pleasing look to all the gas and dust.

Click here (http://paulhaese.net/NGC3576RC12NB.html) for the larger resolution image.

Atmos
29-04-2016, 02:25 PM
That is really nice Paul, blows the socks off my first run detail wise! Guess that's the difference between a 5.1" and a 12" :P

I hadn't actually thought of trying to create synthetic RGB stars with the narrowband data, I'll have to give that I shot when I get home. Get more data too!

Really digging that violent electric blue :)

rustigsmed
29-04-2016, 02:39 PM
really nice work paul. thanks also for sharing the NB mapping to rgb stars method. I might give it a try sometime, could really be useful with Melbourne's weather!!!

russ

Stevec35
29-04-2016, 03:08 PM
Good stuff Paul - a very nice NB image.

Cheers

Steve

Andy01
29-04-2016, 03:14 PM
Very Nice Paul - I really like the colours and details on this version and that star technique you've described is a stroke of genius!
Well done & thanks for sharing :thumbsup:

codemonkey
29-04-2016, 05:03 PM
Great work Paul, love the colours. Thanks also for sharing the star colour trick, that's awesome. Might have to have a go at that myself.

alpal
29-04-2016, 05:30 PM
Very nice work Paul,
I would have cheated & done a non-global brightening of
the area above the nebula to bring out the dark nebula better.

cheers
Allan

batema
29-04-2016, 06:25 PM
Beautiful photo Paul and thanks for sharing you skills.

Placidus
29-04-2016, 07:56 PM
Paul, I cannot even begin to say how seriously good that image is. The thing that is most striking is the incredible contrast in the bright nebulosity. Very well done.

I've thought a lot about how to use NB data to "guess" what the natural colour of the star might have been. Just thinking of the physics, the only meaningful information we have is an estimate of red to blue: (Ha + SII) / OIII. So one physically meaningful approach would be to map high ratios to red, low ratios to blue, and middling ratios to orange, yellow, and white.

I would imagine that the way to proceed would be to:

(a) Go starless, or at least approximately so.
(b) Separately, on the linearly and equally stretched original image, come up with a set of star colours as described above.
(c) Drop the star colours onto the starless image, using "lighten" mode.

Working on it!

Once again, that is a completely stunning image, most especially in terms of the skilful use of high contrast in the nebulosity.

Best,
Mike

gregbradley
29-04-2016, 08:08 PM
A very nice image Paul and good to see the star colour correction worked out well. I like how you got the "Twister" to be blue as it is fairly prominent in O111.

Greg.

topheart
29-04-2016, 08:38 PM
Hi Paul,
That is the best artistic use of narrowband data to a natural effect that I have seen in a while.
Well done.

Tim

multiweb
30-04-2016, 04:30 PM
Beaute colors :thumbsup: Cool stars too. Gotta try that sometime.

Bart
30-04-2016, 04:54 PM
That is very nice Paul. Well done. :)

Paul Haese
01-05-2016, 09:00 AM
Thanks everyone for the comments and compliments.



Thanks Mike for the comments. There are certainly a number of ways to approach the problem of star colour in NB. Martin Pugh told me a detailed method he uses at a Malin awards quite a few years ago but I have forgotten his method. It did not involve any process I have read but it I think it does use the colour match tool. His star colours are very consistent. It means not having to collect RGB.

RickS
01-05-2016, 02:01 PM
Very sharp, Paul, and great use of colour.

Cheers,
Rick.

Slawomir
02-05-2016, 07:22 AM
Awesome composition Paul.

Also thank you (and Mike) for sharing your approach to colouring stars; I will certainly try it since RGB data collected with my doublet is substandard.

Shiraz
02-05-2016, 07:46 AM
excellent resolution and detail in the bright bits - very effective star synsthesis as well. top work.

astronobob
02-05-2016, 04:24 PM
Very keool scene & naturally presented Paul, heaps of detail and the brighter central areas are powerful with the 3D effect, just astonishing really when peer in there a while :thumbsup:
Grouse stuff again :thumbsup:

Paul Haese
03-05-2016, 09:42 AM
Thanks guys for the comments.




Thanks Suavi, a synthetic approach will no doubt help you if you have trouble with RGB. I'll have to do more experimenting to get a consistent result.



Thanks Bob, that is sort of what I was aiming for with this image. I was surprised by the clouds to the left which took on a 3D look after some contrasting processing. There is always some little surprise to be had with imaging, even of the most commonly imaged objects.

graham.hobart
03-05-2016, 09:53 AM
Ethereal Paul. Love the contrast!:thumbsup::thumbsup: