ATA 5-shot semi-automatic shotgun

[GeoffW1]

Hi,

I thought there might be one or two IISers who own one of these. In any case it's an interesting story about the gun's reliability.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-30/nsw-farmer-wants-semi-automatic-shotgun-recalled/6898104

Cheers

[glend]

Personally i'd like to see the moderators remove any discussion of guns from IIS.

[LewisM]

I doubt there would be many IIS'ers with the requisite license to have a semi-automatic shotgun (Vermin/feral control or primary producer), though you never know.

Basically any semi-automatic firearm can fire out of battery if faulty of design or poorly maintained. I have seen top of the line Brownings do it. I have seen several M1 Garands do it, and I had it happen to me with an M1 Carbine.

Semi automatics require stringent cleaning and greasing. I can almost guarantee the reason this firearm fired out of battery was due to insufficiently maintained gas system/mechanisms.

[xelasnave]

I was a trap and skeet shooter years ago and can say the build up of unburnt powder that accumulated in the breach is unbelievable and required attention after every session.

[KenGee]

I'm a farmer and a long time target shooter and some time feral animal shooter. I have no idea why you would want one of these.

I only use single shot no magazine firearms, if you can't hit it with one shot then you shouldn't be shooting it. That said i agree with Glen.

[Hagar]

What is this Ken and Glen. Another vote for a nanny state. OK for you to have a comment but you are saying no one else should.

This is relevant news, well at least someone thinks it is and has as much right to be heard as some of the other clap trap that is posted here.

[LewisM]

I agree.

Semi-auto for "feral" ducks... yes, he is a rice farmer and ducks ARE a problem, but really, a semi-auto shotgun? 2 shots from a double-barrel and those pesky bastiges are gone! (for a while).

[GeoffW1]

Hi,

Please don't mistake my motivation here. I'm not trying to join the gun debate, I'm raising a concern for any IISers that just may own one of these.

I don't have a gun, don't want one, and I do have a position in the gun debate but, as you suggest, here is not the place for it.

Cheers

[GeoffW1]

Ok,

Instead of popping off shots here, let's lighten up with this

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/the-dermatologist-with-300000-instagram-followers-20151029-gkmjov.html

You still need to take aim carefully though.

Cheers

[KenGee]

Doug this site is for the love of astronomy, while I've seen a few heated posts about equipment, they are nothing like what we can get here when we have posts off topic.

[jenchris]

Never quite worked out why you'd need a semi auto shotgun.
Semi auto pistol, rifle sure but not a shotty.
If you're a decent shot with a rifle, you can sit 200 yards away and head shoot ducks without disturbing their mates.
Don't tell me it isn't possible, I've done it.

[Kunama]

Amazing that Geoff, quite rightly, posts a 'cautionary' topic to alert people who may have the weapon in question and thus may be in danger of injury using that weapon .............
and here we are discussing head shots of ducks, nanny state violations...............

[Hagar]

Do you know why??????

Take a look in the mirror.

I'm sure it's not just a heading.
General Chat (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4) (15 Viewing)
General topics not covered by the other IceInSpace Astronomy Forums.

[rrussell1962]

General Astronomy
General Astronomy Chat, Astronomy Media, Star Parties & Events, Observing Chat, Astronomy Science and more.

General Chat (18 Viewing)
General topics not covered by the other IceInSpace Astronomy Forums.

Looks to me more like General Chat is a sub-heading of General Astronomy.

[rrussell1962]

Having said that I do enjoy some of the stuff that pops up in here! Perhaps there should be a general non-astronomy chat forum, always thought-provoking to hear what other people think about all sorts of things.

[astroboof]

I can recall a couple of scope rigs I would loved to have shot to pieces.
In fact, that ATA-5 would have been the perfect tool for the job!

[Hans Tucker]

The moderators extend a fair bit of latitude to topics posted on the General Folder and all they ask is that people posting to these topics are respectful to others. Posts get locked or deleted if they break this one rule.

[The Mekon]

Glen, I am in full agreement with you on this.

[marc4darkskies]

Let's see, the OP brought people's attention to the possibility that a particular firearm may be faulty in order perhaps to avoid the tragic injuries discussed in the article (in case there are IIS people on farms who own the same firearm). Nothing more. And your first response is to want to censor him? Are you for real?! :confused2:

[thunderchildobs]

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=125572

[RB]

Seriously?
Have we lost all our sense of discernment on IIS?
Geoff posted this just in case someone *may* have that particular firearm, as a warning, like Marcus and Matt (Kunama) said.
I appreciate the warning, as a farmer and having many firearms myself.



Also General Chat is mainly for other Astro related themes not covered by the other sub headings but Mike has also said its a general area of discussion for other topics, he doesn't want a Forum full of sub forums for all sorts of specific themes, makes for a very cluttered Forum.

We've had many other discussions that are not related to astro with no complaints, so what's the problem now?
As Hans states, we keep an eye on the discussions and allow a fair bit of latitude, as long as everyone stays civil and respectful, we allow discussion.

[xelasnave]

Top marks Andrew and Mike.
It was clear from the title of this thread it was about a gun so one has the option not to open it or read the contents.
Iceinspace is a wonderful forum and that has a lot to do with not ruling with an iron fist.
So many forums are just too precious to be enjoyable.
Keep up the great job moderators.

[MortonH]

Responses such as "Seriously?", "Are you for real?" and "what's the problem now?" sound quite DISrespectful in my opinion.

[RB]

No its not, in my opinion.
Just an expression of disappointment of how politically correct society has been trained to think these days.

[torana68]

people loose track of realities, I have firearms so does every neighbour (even the very religious ones and the single women :) ) why? some hunt and eat Deer, I hate them but they do taste good. Kangaroos need putting down most weeks (car accidents and one yesterday beaten to near death by a bigger male), we have fox and rabbit issues , I am required to deal with the Fox by law and I don't like laying poison. Not all Australian's live in a flat in a city. So really these things are daily normalities here.. But if someone knows of a faulty firearm out there its nice to know about as I don't frequent the firearm forums. There is always the choice to not read and not post.

[MortonH]

Guns are such a divisive topic it should be expected that some people don't want them discussed here. Nothing to do with political correctness.

Nevertheless, in the context of the OP's intention to warn people, I agree this thread is ok. The principle is the same as other 'public service' threads warning of scams, frauds, etc.

[marc4darkskies]

Not at all. What's disrespectful is for a couple of people to suggest censorship of a well intentioned post that may be of interest to people simply because they don't like the subject line. I find that disturbing because it flies in the face of the very fundamentals of democracy and freedom.



If you don't like the subject, ignore the post. Don't tell everyone else they don't have the right to participate in it.

[The Mekon]

[QUOTE]


I do not see it at all disrespectful to suggest that guns not be discussed on an astronomy forum. We do not discuss religion or politics, because as MortonH has said, it is likely to be divisive. I appears guns fall into the same category.
Anyone sufficiently interested in guns to legally own such a firearm will surely have more efficient ways of ensuring their safety than information from an astronomy forum! If not then perhaps our gun lobby is wrong and there are unsafe legitimate gun owners out there.

[Hagar]

This has degraded itself almost to extinction. Surely as Australian adults we can discuss any topic. Just because someone says gun the world will not end. You don't have to open the thread and participate in the discussion but you should extend the courtesy to allow others to participate if they wish. All the changes to gun laws seem to change very little with gun crimes in Victoria each and every day. That said a few rotten apples don't spoil a full harvest.
I don't own a gun but have interests in other weaponry. (Knives) I shudder to call them weapons. I should refer to them as tools . This does not exclude me taking an interest in them and being open to a discussion or as in this case a warning.

Why disrupt a perfectly harmless discussion unless that is your only reason for input.

[MortonH]

It's not censorship to express an opinion that a certain topic doesn't belong here (religion and politics are already CENSORED here!) In effect YOU are trying to censor the opinions of those that don't like this thread. The manner and tone of your responses comes across as disrespectful because you insinuate that they are wrong for having that opinion, when all you had to say is that you disagree with it.

[Hagar]

WOW!!! Censor the Censor. A novel approach.

[MortonH]

This raises another 'interesting' thing - the headings people use when starting posts and the fact that often we react to the heading without knowing the full story. I saw this one and thought it was a general gun discussion. Even the post itself only made reference to the gun's "reliability", with nothing to suggest there was any danger to the user. I wasn't interested enough to read the link so it was only after multiple replies that it became apparent that the purpose of the thread was a warning. But by then everyone's tails were up!

Now you've mentioned the "Dodgy bolt" thread also being about a dangerous item so I went and had a look. Interesting reading for those that might be affected, but otherwise "dodgy bolt" gave no indication that this was warning us about something that might be dangerous.

Maybe slightly more descriptive headings in some instances would make it easier to decide which threads to read, which to ignore, and which to get our knickers in a twist over! :lol:

[Kunama]

Simple answer Morton, read them all and ignore any that cause your blood pressure to rise, pulse to race or any sweating...... ;)

Have you noticed that there is a real correlation between the types of discussions and the weather. The colder and cloudier the weather, the hotter the discussions....... :mad2:

[MortonH]

:thumbsup:

[RB]

So moral of the story is:

- Always read OP's full post and attached link before commenting.

- Better thread title descriptions by the OP preferred.

- Do your research before buying a gun.

Edit: Also be cautious when buy cheap bolts.

:P

[Hagar]

You forgot to turn out the lights.

[gregbradley]

What's an SLR Doug? I assume its not a single lens reflex camera!
Greg.

[Hans Tucker]

Given the subject...Self Loading Rifle?

[torana68]

bugger of a thin to do drill with is what it is.

[AussieTrooper]

SLR usually refers to the previous service rifle of the Australian Army. It is still in service in many countries.

[AussieTrooper]

From any part of this website other than the 'general chat' section, I'd agree with you.
But your post seems to be more about silencing people from discussing a topic that you don't like. Please respect the views of others, and their right to discuss their hobbies, whatever they may be.

[AussieTrooper]

Every time I see one, 'The Odd Angry Shot' comes to mind. :)

Up until very recently, cadets used to use them too. It was always funny seeing a 15 year old with an SLR that wasn't much shorter than he was.

[Hans Tucker]

Rifle drill is more impressive with the L1Ai SLR than the Styre...possibly why the Federation Guard still uses them for ceremonial duties.

[torana68]

depends what they are doing , they can use the plastic thing or SLR, unsure if they do any drill with SMLE now or not

[Hagar]

Where did the SLR come into things??? Is it just me??

[gregbradley]

Thanks.

Greg.

[Hans Tucker]

Greg threw in a question and a group of us ran with it...jeez we have made a mess of this thread...I hope Geoff doesn't mind :D

[Hagar]

I think while the thread went screwy it did serve a purpose.

[simmo]

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