The cloud that dare not say it's name, chem-trails

[Visionary]

After some months of following debate and discussion on this forum I have reached two conclusions 1) Ice'rs are a smart bunch 2) Icer's look-up
I have always enjoyed a good conspiracy theory and as a consequence I came across chem trails.
Given that Icer's have an excellent knowledge of all things "up" I though I would pose the question......
"Chem trails, fact or fiction"?
Whats your view on chem-trails? Are Chen trails a product of some overarching-intergovernmental conspiracy or are they just garden variety vapor trails?

[LewisM]

Hell yes, they are chem trails.

The chemical composition is predominately H2O and traces of C12H26 (with possibly 0.04% C10H8).

And that is the TRUTH.

[xelasnave]

It's not the government doing it..it's the people who control the government send me $1000 and I will send you the secret list of their names.
Using hydrogen dioxide is terrible.It causes many deaths world wide from overdose and humans are now addicted to the stuff.
Be careful asking questions like you have It will bring attention and they will come after you.

[noswonky]

https://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/chemtrails_feature_image-1.jpg?w=627

[deanm]

Alex - as it's H2O, it isn't 'hydrogen dioxide', but rather "dihydrogen monoxide":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

Dean

[xelasnave]

Yes of course.
Saturday night has clouded Sunday morning.

[Atmos]

Hydrogen Dioxide is just as bad! It is put into bottled water, used for cleaning, as a bleach for germ extermination AND is one of the main ingredients used for bleaching your hair!
To make matters worse, when left unattended for a time, hydrogen dioxide converts itself into Dihydrogen Monoxide!!

[xelasnave]

Dihydrogen monoxide is the main ingredient used in the manufacture of ice.

[Octane]

Lizardmen and their HAARP.

H

[FlashDrive]

Chem-trails :D

[Visionary]

Though attuned to the dangers of "Grey" meddling I had been utterly unaware of the dangers of Hydrogen Dioxide! It is all starting to make sense.

[Visionary]

Dry, very dry, maybe dry ICE!

[deanm]

No, that would be carbon dioxide - frozen!

Dean

[Baddad]

Hey you guys tell David the full story.
The laughing gas emissions as well. Nitrous oxides.

Its to maintain the populace in an artificial high. Raise morale so that they maintain a high level of production.
If they find out they are being deceived they may stop breathing out of rebellion and production will certainly decline.

Sorry guys but David is one of us and deserves to be duly informed.:)

[Atmos]

This sounds suspiciously similar to what the Egyptians used to do, giving their slaves enough alcohol to keep them from getting out of control at night but not too much so as to hamper productivity :P

[xelasnave]

Well David I must tell you I have an exfriend who really believed chem trails are sinister.
I gave up on him because he was always coming up with wild conspiracy ideas.
He believed chem trails put flu into the air so "they" could sell flu vaccine.

[Mokusatsu]

They're totally real, an NWO shill told me. You too can get paid by signing here: https://www.communityrun.org/petitions/petition-to-the-global-nwo-government-to-increase-chemtrail-spraying

In all seriousness though, aircraft burn fossil fuels. The chemistry of burning fossil fuels is:

Hydrocarbon + oxygen -> water + CO2

It's cold up there, as any mountain climber will tell you, and under favourable circumstances of temperature and humidity clouds form easily. You've got a vehicle up there burning about 5kg/km of fuel, generating about 6kg/km of water mixed with soot (onto which the water can easily nucleate) and CO2.

If the atmosphere is too dry the water will disperse quickly leaving no clouds, but if it is already close to or at saturation the water will persist as clouds.

"Chemtrail" conspiracy theorists document a lot of these "chemtrails" and post the pictures to Facebook and Youtube a lot, and you'll notice that a large proportion of the pictures also feature high altitude clouds... which is to say, they tend to observe their "chemtrails" more on days when the atmosphere at jet cruising altitudes is quite humid already.

At any rate, if "they" were actually spraying us with chemicals it would be easy to prove. Amateur astronomers have the know-how and equipment to take measurements of the atmosphere, using spectral techniques. If someone were spraying the stuff which the conspiracy theorists say is being sprayed, typically heavy metals, then using amateur equipment we should all be capable of measuring those heavy metal clouds ourselves.

But the only evidence they ever provide is pictures of clouds, often perfectly ordinary clouds which freak them out, and occasionally even pseudoscientific measurements by dodgy labs of hair and soil samples which they claim are contaminated with heavy metals that they claim got there by chemtrails.

If we've discovered one thing about big governmental organisations, it's that they are terrible at keeping secrets. The President of the USA can't even keep a fling with an intern quiet, and the Wikileaks crowd have released thousands of documents of all kinds of intimate details of diplomacy and war.

... but somehow "they" are excellent at keeping the entire apparatus of the air industry either quiet or in the dark. Pilots, maintenance guys, refuelling guys, everyone in the supply chain of fuels, design engineers, aircraft production workers... and amateur astronomers with spectrographs! Add them all up that's a lot of guys who could discover this for themselves and you've got a lot of people to keep quiet.

It seems a much easier method of keeping the populace in check would be to spread a lot of implausible conspiracy theories to make activists look silly. ;)

[graham.hobart]

The dihydrogen monoxide thing is based on a high School student's science fair project that posed the question 'should it be banned for the reasons wriiten by other posters.
It was to illustrate science phobia and misunderstanding.
46 out of fifty people wanted it banned, this was in Little Rock high school , USA.
As written/ described in one of Neil Degrasse Tyson's books I read recently.
Next they will be trying to ban etoh!!

[The_bluester]

If they really were spraying us with chemicals (The volumes required must be pretty staggering, or perhaps it is another use of homeopathy) you would reckon us folks who persist in spending extended periods with nice big mirrors and lenses pointed at the sky would have noted the residue by now.


Oh man, now I have even convinced myself, I keep getting this stuff forming on the sky facing surfaces most nights in the cooler weather, it must be the chemicals settling from the "Chemtrails" and the air not being warm enough to boil them off!


If it is not obvious to anyone, I have no doubt in my mind that it is a simple case of condensation as a result of combustion products of aircraft. I have given up on a few people who are dead certain that it is "a great big conspiracy man" They also tend to be the ones who believe in astrology and that the "Super moon" will be the ruin of us all.

[julianh72]

It's not the chem-trails you need to worry about - it's the hallucinogens that they add to our water supply!
http://boingboing.net/2010/08/20/the-cias-obsession-w.html
:eyepop:

[xelasnave]

Dam it. I have been missing out by drinking tank water all these years.

[deanm]

"Dam it" ?!!

Did you mean 'Damn it', or were you being particularly clever with watery words?!

Dean

[xelasnave]

No being clever is way beyond my game...dam it.

[Visionary]

It's heading towards the preservation of "bodily fluids" type argument. The first I ever heard about Chemtrails was via: Crow777 a YouTube channel dedicated to the "Lunar Wave" and Chemtrails. The gentleman who runs the channel seems genuine and I believe he is actually worried about Chemtrails.
I came across his station trawling for clips on Meade LX scopes, he has or had one. He has some enmity with a Kiwi astronomer though "Crow" appears to be the salt of the earth, he is full of well intentioned bunkum. Many of his "sightings" that alien space craft maybe the unfortunate consequence of poor collimation.
If you have a few minutes he is at Crow777 his music and graphic intro is great but unfortunately he is one of the Kubrick Moon Landing ilk.
David

[julianh72]

Dihydrogen monoxide is an acid with a pH of 7 - that's a higher pH than any other acid!

[AussieTrooper]

Worldwide every year millions are found dead, with the cause variously attributed to things like heart attacks and cancer.

But in every single one of these cases, high levels of dihydrogen monoxide are found in the bodies of the deceased. It goes largely un-reported, and is a cover up of epic proportions.

[Visionary]

The LSD bit is fine in the Southern States as we have chlorinated water, what about Brisbane ?

[LewisM]

Cow pee.