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Placidus
12-08-2015, 01:03 PM
We last shot this one several years ago, with the STL-11000M. This is 3 hours each R,G,B using an Aspen CG16M on a 20" PlaneWave, taken on the only two decent nights in a month.

Notice the wizened figure of Master Yoda emerging from under a mist of reflection nebulosity. He is wearing a shapeless dark cloak, and holding a yellow walking stick in his twisted, arthritic, reddened hand. The red blob beyond the bottom of the walking stick is part of HH100.

Also of interest is the face-on spiral at the bottom edge, surprising given all the crowding and dust.

A pity is what we think is streaks from distant Gamma CrA, far out of field to the left. They converge to the right spot.

Full sized image with additional 4hrs30 Luminance here (www.mikeberthonjones.smugmug.com/Category/Star-Forming-Regions/i-s2Qm9Xn/0/O/Yoda%202%20L4h30%20RGB%202h30%20eac h.jpg)

codemonkey
12-08-2015, 01:18 PM
An interesting area of sky for sure. I'm pretty sure I can see Jimi Hendrix in there.

gregbradley
12-08-2015, 02:17 PM
An awesome image Mike. Those red Ha areas actually in the blue reflection neb are they real? I have never seen those before. I see a few areas of red neb which I have seen before but your image is showing them in several areas.

Is this your 20 inch and dark skies picking up what is usually not seen or is it Ha noise from a Ha sub? I imaged this last week with the Trius on the CDK17 and it gave much the same FOV. Unfortunately in my case I think I may need to recollimate my CDK or at least get the camera really square and also the filter wheel acted up.

Greg.

topheart
12-08-2015, 02:17 PM
Looking? Found someone you have, eh?

Object, great to image this is....!

:)

Tim

rustigsmed
12-08-2015, 02:23 PM
awesome resolution especially on the walking stick.

well done M&T

Cheers

Russ

Octane
12-08-2015, 02:24 PM
Beautiful, Mike and Trish.

H

Slawomir
12-08-2015, 02:36 PM
Echoing others, a beautiful image, lovely colours and detail. Just not sure about those red areas that Greg has mentioned, and maybe satellite trail could go away? Sorry for being picky, but I just loved soaking in detail in your photo and thus I spotted presence of the dark side...

strongmanmike
12-08-2015, 02:58 PM
Lovely image scale that has, beautiful it is.

Nice work young Mike and Trish, use my stick, a magnificent image it is for.

"Ummmm aaaahhhrrr, errrr aaaargh" Chewbacca

Stevec35
12-08-2015, 03:05 PM
Beautiful! Nothing to criticize there. Everything looks great.

Cheers

Steve

Placidus
12-08-2015, 04:51 PM
Thanks muchly Lee, Greg, Tim, Russ.

Greg, I suspect that there are at least four small red blobs in the blue reflection nebula that are artifact. I'll try to see where they snuck in, and how they got past data rejection. Meanwhile, the big intense red blob at the bottom of the thumbnail of the walking stick is definitely real. Hope your filter wheel behaves better than my outlier rejection algorithm.

Slawomir
12-08-2015, 05:29 PM
You're welcome ;)

Please not forget that satellite trail... :scared3:

Placidus
12-08-2015, 05:44 PM
Hi, Humayun, Slawomir, Michael, Steve,

Thanks for the nice words!

Just been going over the red spots mentioned by Greg and Slawomir. They are in every single red sub, just barely there but definite in the green subs, and totally absent from the blue subs. The filters are cycled R, G, B, R, G, B ... and across two nights, so it seems unlikely to be residual image "ghosting", because that would affect the first sub or two, but not subsequent ones. It's something that knows what filter is there. BUT, they don't look real. On the raw subs, they look like out of focus stars. I'm only using monochrome one-size-fits-all flats, so it's not a dodgy red flat. Some speck of grease on the red filter that spreads the light, but somehow has a hint in the same spot on the green filter ? Aaaugh! What a nightmare! Will have to look at images of other objects at the same spot.

Slawomir, there were FOUR satellites that went through the image. Most got automatically rejected. One incredibly bright, tumbling thing went through the very first sub just after Trish clicked "Expose". We saw it in the guide scope. That one missed the blender. I'll have a go at manually removing it from the particular sub.

Best,
Mike

jase
12-08-2015, 09:36 PM
Tight FoV and action packed with details to get immersed in. Lovely work M&T. Thoroughly enjoyed the view.

dylan_odonnell
12-08-2015, 10:55 PM
Absolutely stunning! I hope to get to that level someday.

Here is a close 100% crop of the same region I took as a widefield of the whole cloud on Monday if it helps with your blobs. (Yours is still inverted I think?) I didn't even realise the biggest one here was actually an emission region and thought it was an artifact myself!

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Placidus
13-08-2015, 09:10 AM
Jase and Dylan, thanks muchly.

Greg and Slawomir, I found This APOD shot (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150108.html) by University of North Carolina using a 32" scope at extreme altitude at Cerro Tololo. It's the "Answer in the Back of the Book". There are two faint but intensely red star-blobs towards ten o'clock from Yoda's head, and a few other smaller red splotches around Yoda's scone, which prove to be real, and are possibly HH related. In M&T's image, there are three red blobs more or less along the line of the horizontal diffraction spike from the top ultrabright star. These are artifact. (We notice they're not in Mike Sidonio's or Dylan's shots either). We'll seek them out and destroy them utterly in the next version. Destroy them, we will.

Best,
Mike

Paul Haese
13-08-2015, 10:26 AM
Nicely done M&T. Detail level is feathery and tight. Stars are very round. That galaxy in the right hand lower corner is pretty interesting to look at too.

I think you should look at the dark rings around the stars though.

gregbradley
13-08-2015, 12:30 PM
Thanks for chasing it up Mike. So those spots either side of the bright stars in the blue neb are real? Someone else's image is not conclusive as they may have though they were artifacts and deleted them using the healing brush. But they are perfectly round unlike the other patches of red.

I wonder if a Ha exposure of this area would clear it up. If I get my filter wheel sorted quickly enough I think I will image this on my CDK and see what comes up. Its worth adding a Ha layer as there is more there than I think most of us thought.

What's HH stand for?

Greg.

Placidus
13-08-2015, 12:43 PM
Thanks Paul. Your point about the dark rings is especially important because one or two of the stars really do have a little clear lacuna around them, presumably as a result of radiation pressure or stellar wind, and having sharpening artifact panda eyes around the others detracts from that.

Independently of all that, we're wondering whether it is worth doing some really deep subs in narrowband. We finally found an annotated ESO VLT shot (http://www.eso.org/public/images/eso1109c/) that shows where the Herbig-Haro jets and objects are. Very different to what we thought, based on useless text descriptions by everyone from AAO to APOD, and well worth a glimpse.

Slawomir
13-08-2015, 05:06 PM
Hi Mike and Trish,

Thank you for looking up the relevant APOD image and for confirming the nature of red areas. I really like exteriorisation of stellar influences on cosmic dust surrounding the central bright star - I have never seen that before.

Rex
13-08-2015, 09:03 PM
Stunning image Mike and Trish, and a great story to go along with it. The detail in the whisps of nebulosity are very beautiful, and the little red nebs add another point of interest. Great job guys!

Placidus
13-08-2015, 09:40 PM
Thanks, Slawomir. Thanks, Rex.

Cheers,
M&T

DJT
13-08-2015, 10:25 PM
Lovely image MnT, very nicely done.

IanP
14-08-2015, 02:30 PM
+1
:hi:

Placidus
14-08-2015, 02:47 PM
Ian, David,

Thanks guys,

Mike & Trish

marco
14-08-2015, 03:57 PM
Excellent details, in particular on HH100, I guess some support of Ha data would help even more to get the contrast of this cosmic comma to boost out..

Clear skies
Marco

tilbrook@rbe.ne
14-08-2015, 04:08 PM
Superb Mike & Trish!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I really enjoy your images, the detail, colour and processing impressive!

Cheers,

Justin.

Placidus
14-08-2015, 09:50 PM
Thanks, Marco. We will definitely have a go with H-alpha as soon as weather permits.



Cheers, Justin!

SkyViking
14-08-2015, 09:51 PM
Very impressive M&T! The colour is very pleasing and natural looking and resolution is top notch. Interesting feature with the extra Ha spots too.
I recently did some imaging of this area as a test for my new coma corrector and was surprised by how bright the dust and nebulousity is in the region.

Placidus
15-08-2015, 01:12 PM
Thanks, Rolf, glad you like it.

AlexN
15-08-2015, 02:52 PM
Very nice indeed. I had a quick stab at this last night with my setup I get similar FOV but nowhere near the resolution. I can see all the same things but it just doesn't look the same. Haha. Beautifully done.

Placidus
15-08-2015, 08:07 PM
Thanks, Alex.

Placidus
16-08-2015, 09:34 PM
Got a glimpse of clear sky on Saturday night. Added another 4hrs 30mins luminance. Reprocessed from scratch, taking into account feedback so far. No satellite trail. No black rings around stars. Identified and removed several artifacts in the red channel. The artifacts do seem to be related to residual images from previous shots. The new version is a little cleaner, and slightly less pushed. Sadly, the streaks from gamma corona australis are even more obvious than before.

Full sized image with additional 4hrs30 Luminance here (www.mikeberthonjones.smugmug.com/Category/Star-Forming-Regions/i-s2Qm9Xn/0/O/Yoda%202%20L4h30%20RGB%202h30%20eac h.jpg)

multiweb
17-08-2015, 12:58 PM
That looks awesome Mike. Really nice details close up. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Placidus
17-08-2015, 06:08 PM
Thanks, Marc, glad you like it. M&T.

gregbradley
17-08-2015, 06:15 PM
A stunner Mike. Perhaps your finest posted here to date.

Its probably not your style but you could also do an aggressive processing version which would bring out lots of that blue gaseous flow and that little cave of turbulent gas etc.

Greg.

Placidus
18-08-2015, 05:44 AM
Thanks hugely, Greg! Will have a play.

RickS
30-08-2015, 08:09 PM
Great work, M&T! Nice to see this area at such fine resolution.

Placidus
31-08-2015, 07:43 AM
Thanks, Rick. Glad you like it.

topheart
31-08-2015, 09:39 AM
It is an awesome image!

Very well done!

Cheers,
Tim

Bassnut
31-08-2015, 06:33 PM
extremely sharp and detailed MnT, very well done.

marc4darkskies
01-09-2015, 09:40 AM
LOVE the image scale guys!! A beautiful & compelling image in terms of colour & detail! I was going to say you can probably go deeper but that does not detract at all from this image. Really, really nice! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Cheers, Marcus

Andy01
01-09-2015, 10:50 AM
Stunning and smooth, that's going straight to the pool room I suspect!
Amazing detail and interesting interpretation with the Yoda story too.
Nailed this one you have :thumbsup:

I notice the APOD version you linked has more contrast, seems to add a tad more drama. Possibly something to consider down the track.

Very well done M&T :)

Placidus
01-09-2015, 09:00 PM
Thanks, Tim!



Cheers, Fred, glad you like it.



Hi, Marcus. Thanks for the encouragement. We really want to go much deeper - especially to do better on those smaller HH mushroom caps and jets. To that end we've accumulated another 7.5 hours of H-alpha, and it's looking promising, but only incremental reward for effort. We need some clear sky.



Thanks so much Andy. As Marcus says, we need more exposure before we can turn up the contrast, but we'd like to do so one day.

Very best,
Mike and Trish

RobF
03-09-2015, 08:41 PM
Wonderful work. Shows the region in an entirely new light and level of detail to anything I've experienced before. Thanks for sharing :)

Placidus
04-09-2015, 12:32 PM
Thanks, Rob.

We desperately need another 3 clear not-full-moon nights of H-alpha and then we can show the next version. At least with all this rain cloud and even snow the farm dams are full, and we're watching lots of movies by the fire.

Best,
Mike and Trish