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Omaroo
17-09-2006, 06:22 PM
Hi everyone :)

I've been thinking about building an observatory in my Sydney home's back yard before I put a permanent one up on Omaroo's high hill in clear dark sky. I guess we're just in Sydney more than we are down on the property.

My major problem with a traditional dome observatory is that they unfortunately let everyone know what's in them as they exist only for one reason - to house expensive telescopes. I don't like the idea of relying on fibreglass doors to keep a determined criminal from taking my pride and joy and all the peripheral gear that goes with it.

So... I've decided on a variation of the roll-off roof observatory that, for all intents and purposes, looks like nothing more than an innocuous garden shed. This design appeared in the May 1993 issue of Sky & Telescope, and was originally built by David Oesper in Ames, Iowa USA. He had trees at either end of his lawn in both due north and south directions, so the gables didn't get in his way. I'm going to make these either swing-down or removable on the one I build so that I get no interference in any direction. The door would have to be the height of the hinge line, but that's no matter. The beauty of this design for me is that most of my observing is done in a southerly direction, so I'd only ever need to roll down just the half that covers that field of view, keeping wind and prying eyes to a minimum.

He build his with an isolated solid concrete pier that doesn't come into contact with the concrete floor to aid in vibration isolation. The pier is four feet deep in the earth. The floor is poured after the pier and after the lower part of the pier is wrapped in sponge neoprene to act as a gap seal.

The clever part are the hinged seconday outer walls, which support the eaves as the roof counter-weighted section is rolled down, and which appear flush and part of the "shed" when locked up. These allow you to dispense with roller outriggers that are part and parcel of a horizontal roll-off roof design.

The roof sections rely on a rebated mortice at the apex of the gables to catch the top rollers, and then spring-loaded catches lock the two roof panels in place. Pull the ropes attached to the catches and the roof is free to roll down.

I really like this design, so I'm going to draft some plans. I'll get together a materials manifest soon, and then document the build process if anyone else is interested in it.

I'd be really interested to hear what you have to say about it. I think it'll suit my particular needs, but it wouldn't be right for everyone I guess.

Cheers
Chris

Ric
17-09-2006, 09:40 PM
Hi Chris,
that should make a great little scope house, dont forget to leave yourself a bit of room for a desk for your charts and laptop. It makes so much more sense to be able to go out and just start observing without spending time setting up, it usually takes me about about 40 minutes to setup from start to finish including alighnment.
I also purchased plans for a "Skyshed" from their website of the same name which is a roll on/off roof setup I intend to build but I want to modify it a bit to have a warm room at one end and maybe a dome instead of a sliding roof. They also sent me plans for piers to suit the LX200R as well as material lists and construction guides.

cheers :)

Omaroo
17-09-2006, 09:53 PM
Hey there Ric

I just had a look at their website. Interesting designs, especially for the money! The little pod is cool, but a little small? Which roll-off design are you doing?

I just emailed Andrew Orngard, (designer & builder of the roll-down roof observatory for the owner, David Oesper) to see if he ever made up plans. He is still in business as an architect, so hopefully he'll get back to me.

Cheers :)
Chris

Ric
17-09-2006, 10:12 PM
Thunderbirds are go :)
You'll have to post some piccys when it completed
I wasnt too fussed with the Pod, a great idea but the same conclusion, a bit too small.

cheers

ballaratdragons
25-09-2006, 04:54 PM
Chris,

After seeing the images you posted I am sort of considering designing one for myself with a slight variation. Lower pitch and only half the roof roll/slide off.
With a wall in between the 2 halves. Then I have a removable roof for the scope and a warm room for me :)

Omaroo
25-09-2006, 05:37 PM
Good thinking Ken :)

Do you have a design rough you can put up here yet?

Cheers
Chris

ballaratdragons
25-09-2006, 06:04 PM
half done. I will try finish it tonight :thumbsup:

ballaratdragons
26-09-2006, 02:54 PM
This is the best I can come up with so far.

I haven't worked out the arm mechanism yet as the roof is 10" long!

It might be possible to slide/roll 2 sections to each side. :shrug: Still got a bit of thought to go into it yet. I would prefer a Dome, but if I can get this method to work it will be worth building.

astroboy
02-10-2006, 01:07 PM
Wow Chris
I thought the scope was going to a good home looks like I was right , you may find that the reason for the steep pitch on that model is for snow , probably not such a problem at your place:) .

See you on Friday
Zane

Omaroo
06-10-2006, 11:33 PM
hehe.. Cheers Zane!

Actually - here are some shots of Omaroo last winter..... :D The third shot is heading up the hill that we plan to put the observatory on!

Ric
06-10-2006, 11:45 PM
Hi Chris, man that is one set of serious spotties on your Jeep, you could melt the tar at 200 paces with them. :lol:

cheers

bloodhound31
07-10-2006, 02:46 AM
Chris, If you are worried about your expensive telescope being pinched by a determined burglar, then dont worry, nothing beats insurance. A good idea disguising the fact that is an observatory, but nothing will stop a determined criminal, one the target is known. If you insure and lock up properly, then if you do get knocked over, think of all the brand-new updated equipment you can buy with the replacement cheque!

Good luck!

Barry.:D

Omaroo
10-10-2006, 11:29 AM
Sorry Barry - but I don't subscribe to your suggestion that nothing beats insurance. I'd rather not attract the criminal in the first place. My insurance policy goes up every time someone else is knocked off, so if all they see is a garden shed, it looks like all the others in the neighborhood - and not as "special" as an obvious observatory. I think that if had what you've put up on your lawn, on my front lawn (in our area), it'd be targetted every day. :doh:

Ric
10-10-2006, 12:45 PM
Hi Chris,
I fully agree with that, another thought as well is that you may end up with a replacement scope that not as up to scratch as the original or that replacement cheque may not be enough to cover the new scope that you wish to buy. Then there is time factor, you may have to wait a few months or more for the new one to arrive. There are too many variables involved to simply just think a replacement cheque solves all.

cheers