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strongmanmike
10-11-2014, 08:15 PM
After really enjoying Ricks recent image of NGC 7793 and then really enjoying the ensuing thread and reprocesses even more (thanks guys :thumbsup:)...I decided to go back and look at my effort form last year...whiiiich I decided was a bit lack luster and lacking a bit....

So, here is a reprocessed version that hopefully breaths some life into the image...yes there is some colour vibrancy :scared3: buuut I have tried to keep it relatively natural looking :question: as usual no darks an no flats and I did almost no noise reduction but (buckling under the pressure :lol:) I used gama correction and offset to tame the noise very slightly.

Hope it's not too boring :)

Full Frame (http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/152715500/original)

Close Up (http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/158179147/original)

Cheers
Mike

Rod771
10-11-2014, 08:26 PM
Really nice Mike! :thumbsup: Not boring at all, plenty to see there.

alpal
10-11-2014, 08:46 PM
Hi Mike,
it's more appealing than your last process here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/strongman/10095623125/

Everyone seems to have a different colour scheme.
I suppose that what makes processing so interesting.

cheers
Allan

RickS
10-11-2014, 08:50 PM
Mike,

I liked your original version but I think the colouring of the new one is great. The detail you captured is very impressive too. Not boring at all :lol: :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Rick.

Rex
10-11-2014, 10:23 PM
Nicely done Mike, I like this one better than the original, definitely not boring.

strongmanmike
10-11-2014, 10:57 PM
Thanks for chekin in our fella's, I like it better than the first version Al linked to there :thumbsup:...just a bit of fun to share around :)

Mike

dvj
11-11-2014, 06:36 AM
Hi Mike, Lovely image. But why no darks or flats? :shrug:

Placidus
11-11-2014, 06:52 AM
Mike, gorgeous sharp image. Clear clean background awash with faint fuzzies showing detailed morphology. :thumbsup:

strongmanmike
11-11-2014, 08:42 AM
Cheers Johnny, glad ya like it :thumbsup:

See, those who haven't enjoyed the Starlightxpress advantage think what I do is crazy but as Ray has shown beautifully in the imaging equipment section of IIS the Sony chip and the H694 are perfectly capbable of being used as such ie such low noise and even sensitivity across the chip that unless calibration is done perfectly with many many darks, flats and flat darks etc adding darks and flats is more likely to add noise to the final image than improve it and even when done perfectly the improvement is very small and hardly noticable. The residule noise in my images pointed out by Mr Haese is not from the lack of darks, flats or flat darks but from my agressive stretching and the lack of distaste I have for some noise in my images...so there you go :) Since my AG12 illuminated field is much bigger than my chip and I have no dust bunnies, flats are much less necessary too and I rarely use them either.

Mike



Cheers Mike glad you liked it :)

Geoff45
11-11-2014, 08:44 AM
Very nice shot Mike. Shows a lot of intricate detail near the core, which is often missing from a lot of shots. Nice colour in the faint fuzzies too.



I can understand the no darks (just) as some chips have very little dark current, but not the no flats. No optical system is so perfect that it won't have dust on the filters, vignetting and PRNU. Flats will fix these.

strongmanmike
11-11-2014, 09:30 AM
Thnaks Geoff :thumbsup:



Maybe in theory sure but hey I'm happy with my results, what can I say :shrug:

Mike

Geoff45
11-11-2014, 10:46 AM
Wouldn't you like to be even happier?:clap:

strongmanmike
11-11-2014, 01:21 PM
Look you are quite right Geoff, while I have no sign of any dust bunnies or classic vignetting in my optical train, when imaging a galaxy field or small object with lots of dark sky in the frame some slight sensitivity variations do show up but they are normally easily handled by post processing or cropping out. In my recent NGC 247 image for example though I did use flats in order to make sure I surfaced the faint bridge in that galaxy chain top right as it lay in the exact area I see the slight sensitivity variation. I accepted the extra noise in the rest of the frame introduced by the flats and it is not really noticable in this case

Mike

multiweb
12-11-2014, 09:20 AM
Nice close up Mike. Very good colors. :thumbsup:

SkyViking
12-11-2014, 10:59 AM
Very nice Mike and yes I think this is an improvement over the original. The colours are great and the overall galaxy looks very natural yet detailed. Great work :thumbsup:

gregbradley
12-11-2014, 12:53 PM
That's a nice image Mike. I agree the H694 is very clean and you have to be careful about callibration as if not done with lots of darks making the master and the flats having lots of subs I have seen myself how it can actually introduce noise as long as your filters and CCD window are clean.

Depends also a bit on the scope used.

Greg.

atalas
12-11-2014, 03:30 PM
Splendid galaxy work Mike!

Shiraz
12-11-2014, 10:44 PM
:thumbsup: excellent high resolution image Mike - the repro has a very convincing delicacy and natural appearance

Ross G
12-11-2014, 11:30 PM
Another great looking galaxy photo Mike.

I love the deep, rich colours and sharp detail.


Ross.

strongmanmike
12-11-2014, 11:45 PM
Cheers Marc :)



Thanks Rolf, I'm happier with it for sure, thanks to Ricki :thumbsup:



Thanks Greg, I'm not crazy...truly :question: :help:



Cheers Louie :thumbsup:



Great to hear Ray, exactly what I was after :thumbsup:



Cheers Ross, thanks very much :)

RickS
13-11-2014, 08:53 AM
Aw, shucks Mike :) Good feedback all round...

Stevec35
13-11-2014, 02:55 PM
Very nice Mike. I'm thinking of withdrawing my NGC 7793 as all the subsequent ones look much better.

Cheers

Steve

strongmanmike
13-11-2014, 10:47 PM
Cheers Steve...yeah I agree, you should probably let me take the crappy 14 1/2 incher off your hands :sadeyes: I'll even take the PME if I have to :shrug: :D

Mike

Stevec35
14-11-2014, 12:24 AM
In all honesty you could probably make better use of it Mike

strongmanmike
14-11-2014, 09:26 PM
Ok then...I'll be over Sat arvo with the station wagon, have it all packed and ready to go please :D

Seriously though, I had another look at your 7793 and it is quite a good image :)

Mike

Bassnut
15-11-2014, 07:12 PM
Excellent colour there Mike, as you say vibrant colour that makes it pop.

strongmanmike
16-11-2014, 12:42 AM
Cheers Fred...people don't need to be scared of colour but rather embrace it :)

Mike