Bretti 2014

[glend]

Just putting this forward for discussion of possible Bretti Reserve astro camp dates and arrangements for 2014.

As past attendees know, Bretti Reserve is located NW of Gloucester NSW on the Thunderbolt way and is a long stay free camp that provides a great dark sky location not too far from Sydney, Central Coast, Newcastle, and the mid-north coast of NSW. Bretti is can get hot in the warmer months (right Owl?) so it's primarily a cooler month destination.

Here is one link to more information about the Bretti Reserve facilities:

http://www.findacamp.com.au/camp-site.php?camp=605

New Moon (or no moon) weekends are an obvious period for stays at Bretti, so keep an eye on this thread during 2014. Anyone can propose a get together there.:thumbsup:

Possible new moon/ no moon calendar periods for consideration:

28-31 March, 26-29 April, 26-31 May, 27-29 June, 25-27 July, 21-24 August, 19-21 September, 21-26 October.

Note: For those planning to attend, the 8th IISAC event, IISAC2014, is set to take place in late-April: 24th-27th April 2014.

PS: This thread is not intended to distract, or compete, with other IIS Star Parties, Pony Club or other events like the Lake Chaffey Trip, all of which are great worthy events in their own right. It's simply another option for us to get together and enjoy astronomy at a dark site.

[Arthur Alchin]

Thanks for doing this Glen, will have to try and keep it floating😊

Probably won't be attending the IIS camp this year as I tend to congregate better in smaller numbers with a group that can tolerate me 😄

A mid year rendezvous is a better choice with me, prob June, July or aug but will have to work on it, these days working mon to fri make it difficult to arrange anything 😩😩:shrug:

[Harb]

Just came back from a few days there............
I would be up for a trip back up depending on when it happens.
I will keep an eye on this thread.


Harb

[Allan_L]

I am always keen for a Bretti field trip.
You name it.
I'll try to arrange my pass.

New scope = keen to see what I can stretch it to ! :)

[Fizics]

Count me in. Any of those dates should be ok.

John

[Inmykombi]

May looks good for me at this stage.

[glend]

Great Geoff! The new camper will bring a new level of comfort eh?

I hope to get up there a few times this year, maybe an autumn, winter and spring trip at the minimum. It's too good (and close) to waste the opportunity if I can get there.

Let's discuss at Lake Chaffey.

[Rick Petrie]

Get back from OS in late April, so May will be good for me too.:thumbsup:

[GTB_an_Owl]

WHAT! new camper geoffro?

geoff

[Inmykombi]

Hi Geoff. I bought a 2nd hand camper trailer. Similar to Deeno's set up. It will probably take me a while to set for the first time.:confused2:

[GTB_an_Owl]

you mean you haven't been practicing in the front yard?

it might have holes in it!

geoff

[Inmykombi]

Hi Geoff,
If you saw my front yard, you would know it would be easier to set up this thing on on of the Three Sisters at Katoomba.
Seriously, It was half set up at the place I bought it, and no holes....:D

[Inmykombi]

April also could be on the cards....:eyepop:
My wife is going away for a while in April, so I could try to get away and play up then.;)

[glend]

Geoff, April would be the 26-29 April, pretty much right on top of the IIS2014 Astro Camp. Not that I mind because I'd rather be at Bretti but its something that others might want to go to.

[Inmykombi]

I will see how work goes then. Fingers crossed....

[Inmykombi]

Just keeping this thread alive and saying that April or maybe May would be OK for me at this stage.:D

What about everyone else ?

geoffro

[absolut]

Hey! :hi:

I'd be looking more towards May.

Should be cooler during the day without being too cold at night.

[Allan]

Hi Rob, I am hearing you. No more camping when it's hot for me.

I have got a month off starting in a few weeks, so I am going to head up to Bretti around the next new moon. Chaffey Dam reminded me again how much I love dark skies, and 1 nights observing was just not enough to satisfy the appetite.

April is IISAC for me, and then SPSP in May. Anyone else heading to those parties?

[glend]

"....so I am going to head up to Bretti around the next new moon."

Allan I may be able to get up to Bretti the last weekend of March if your planning on going up let us know when (new moon on the 31st. Maybe others may be interested as well .

Re your question on ISSAC and SPSP, I won't be attending those events.

I agree with trying to avoid the heat, poor Toby is still recovering.

Geoff and Rob, May sounds good to me as well and I believe Ric said they will be back from europe by then.

[Inmykombi]

Hi Glen,
Don't know if I can get away next new Moon.
I will try though. Even if for just a couple of days. I really like Bretti and it's closer than Chaffey too.
And yes Allan, it was too hot for me too. Nice cool Winter camping is my preference.

Geoffro.

[Allan]

I liked Chaffey. It's nice having the shower and not having to hold your breath when you go to the toilet. But Bretti is closer and the sky there is as dark as outback South Australia where I started off in astronomy.

Next new moon is the 31st which is a Monday. I am just going to keep an eye on the weather and make a last minute decision as to the best time to go. The weekend before the new moon is probably the best option, as long as the weather looks good, in case anyone else wants to go. But I will do mid week if that's the only chance for good weather. I will keep you posted. If nothing else, my furry friend will be there to keep me company.

[glend]

I will also try to get to Bretti at the end of this month with my pooch. Anyone else that can make for a couple of days? It can't be hot , not again. Looking forward to a Horsehead shoot out with Allan.

[Fizics]

I will try to get there too just depends on the dates.

For those of you with skysafari I have at last set up a raspberry pi as as a wifi interface for skysafari. Works out much cheaper than other devices. The pi provides both the wifi for the iPad and serial connections for my nexstar.

[Allan_L]

Noted with interest.
But depends on other commitments juggling.
...and an improvement in the weather conditions.
But here's hoping :question:

[glend]

For those considering a trip to Bretti the last weekend of March (say anywhere from the 27th through the 31st), I have checked the Hours of Darkness and can report that there will be no residual moon intrusion between sunset and nominal dawn (well ok on the 27th the moon does rise at 4:04am). New Moon is on the 31st (Monday) but it's irrelevant from the 27th onward.

The only factor could be the weather and time will tell (well ok some people may have 'other commitments" and I understand that fully.

[glend]

For those in the Sydney, Central Coast, Newcastle area, the upcoming New Moon trip to the Bretti Dark Site is an excellent opportunity to get your scope out to a true dark location and see what it can do. :eyepop:

Everyone is welcome (even dogs) at the Bretti Reserve free camp location. Anyone wishing to come along, even if just for one night, just let us know here, or you can just show up. I'll probably be onsite from Friday noon (the 28th) onward, maybe the 27th if anyone else wants to go up that early. There is no moon light to contend with during that weekend.

As Leighton Hewitt would say "Come On"!

[Shano592]

Sounds interesting.

The free camping area you speak of, Glen.... this is the section straight off the road, down the hill, and close to the stream?

I have only been there once, doing a drive-by. It was quite full then.

I did notice the gate over the stream, but never ventured over there. Pretty sure that it had a "No Camping" sign on it.

[GTB_an_Owl]

we normally camp this end Shane

geoff

[glend]

Shane there maybe caravaners (being a free camp) there but they tend to favour the left (northwest) side of the access road that runs along the pond area and river as that is where the trees are and they like shade. They also tend to favour long-weekends and holiday periods, which the proposed weekend is not. We have seen the Mid-North Coast caravaners club there but there were only about five vans along the trees oriented away from us facing toward the river and trees, no site lighting so nothing really to be concerned about.

Where Geoff has indicated, on the flats just by the bluff over the river is where the best observation setup area is located. There is a causeway over the river at the south eastern end of the flats.

Water in the river can be used for showers and washing up but not for drinking, you need to bring your drinking water with you. There is a toilet (drop type) shown on Geoff's aerial photo, and rubbish bins around the place.

It's a fairly easy scenic two hours from the central coast (just past Gloucester) on the Thunderbolt Way. It's probably three hours from Sydney.

[Shano592]

Thanks Geoff and Glen. I recall the spot.

I saw people up that end. One poor lady came out of her caravan and went nose to nose with a herd of cattle ( I think they were looking in through her window). I heard her shriek from the other end, then just watched her try to shoo them away for the next few minutes.

Such fun!

With a bit of luck, I may be able to stretch the Pajero's legs that far, later this month.

[Allan_L]

It is a huge free camping area, but they tell me it can be popular during school holidays and long weekends, in the warmer months.

When we go, we try to avoid these times, and there are generally less than a handful of other campers (who tend to be in bed before 10).

And yes, take a shovel, as the local "manure distributors" regularly graze that "field of view". ;)

[glend]

Just a reminder that it is two weeks till the next New Moon dark site camp at Bretti Reserve near Gloucester. All are welcome and as its cooling off now it should be a comfortable few days.

[Shano592]

It was nice up that region yesterday. We went for spin out to Taree, and then through Gloucester and back home.

Everything is now so green, compared to a month ago. A lot of the small streams have a fair bit of water in them.

It should be excellent up at Bretti.

[Inmykombi]

Thx Shano,
Here's hoping I can get away next New Moon.:confused2:
If not, it'll have to be in April.
BTW, I got the wi-fi thingy for the MEADE. It works a treat.:D

geoffro

[Shano592]

Cool! They work too well for the price, not to do the upgrade, huh?

[Inmykombi]

You bet. It works well, and easy to set up.
I must get it under a dark sky and test it out.
See ya later Shane.
Geoffro.

[glend]

It's just two weeks till the next New Moon dark site get together at Bretti Reserve near Gloucester. All are welcome and as its cooling off now it should be a comfortable few days. Camping and van parking is free at Bretti, and there are drop toilets but bring any drinking water you require. Dogs are allowed. If you need power for your rig bring your battery or generator.

Bretti Reserve facility and location details here:

http://www.findacamp.com.au/camp-site.php?camp=605

This is a re-post to keep this invite near the top of the thread, and above the conversational posts.

[Allan_L]

I am looking a possible to get there on Friday 28th for a few days.
Still a lot needs to happen before then, to allow it, but I have tacit approval.
The elephant in the room is the long range weather forecasts that look discouraging.
But here's hoping :)

:prey2: I believe its about time we got some good weather for observing...
... how come Full Moon is always cloud free and clear?:confuse3:

[glend]

That's great news Allan (L). I have similiar concerns about the weather, but if it closes us out for Friday/Saturday maybe we could consider sliding the dates up there. As the New Moon isn't actually until Monday the 31st, and what moon there would be doesn't appear in darkness until after the 2nd, it is feasible to slide the dates a few days - say Sunday through Tuesday. I realise that's not an option for some people. Waiting to hear from Newcastle Alan. Anyway let's keep our weather fingers crossed for the entire weekend period.

PS I noticed Houghy's post on the new intersection lighting installed near his house, that is going to impact his imaging for sure, and I have invited him to come along to Bretti.

[Allan]

Yes still definitely heading to Bretti. But as I originally said, I didn't want to put a firm day on it. I don't want to head there and get clouded out again like at Chaffey. I was originally leaning toward the weekend weather permitting so others could join in. The moon is out of the way enough from next Thursday for me to head up. We will just keep an eye on the weather for now.

I've got 6 weeks off now so I can come and go and observe as I please for a while.

[Arthur Alchin]

Sorry, can't go this time, working. Maybe next one. Will do the PC on the sat night

[Fizics]

Hi all, Sunday through Tuesday are best dates for me.

[glend]

It's just one week now to the next trip out to Bretti. Thankfully the weather improved around my place last night and the night was clear - hopefully an indicator for next weekend as well. While the offical weather forecast looks pretty wet till Wednesday, at least on the coast, let's get it out of the way now and make way for clear skies for the end of the week. Fingers crossed, enough of this unsettled weather.

[Shano592]

Start knocking on wood, everyone!

Tonight's forecast for the Barrington Tops looks like it will be clearer than the Central Coast will.

With a bit of luck, hopefully it will translate across the whole week. If the weather stays coastal, Bretti might be a little oasis of clear skies!

[Inmykombi]

Looks like Murphy's Law has come in the equation for me this weekend. I have urgent unexpected Nursing Home work to complete by next Monday, so I will be unable to go this time.:(
I hope you all have a great time and clear skies.

Geoffro.

[glend]

Well Geoff the weather is certainly not being helpful, and Friday night at Bretti is looking very doubtful anyway, however, looking at the 4-day charts it appears that by Saturday night it will be clear. This may mean that Sunday -Tuesday might be good seeing at Bretti. Stay tuned.
Hope you might be available those days, I think John and Allan and myself could be. We'll keep trying to get some clear dark skies soon.

Re the next possibility, giving the IIS camp priority, there is the April New Moon period which is actually after the ISS camp, and total nighttime darkness over the period from the 26th-30th of April. It is very feasible that IIS camp attendees might be able to roll over to Bretti when the IIS event closes on the 27th - free time permitting of course. People not planning on going to the IIS camp might find the 26th onward at Bretti a good option.

[Allan_L]

Watching the weather with anticipation.
YES. Timing Flexible.

Just for fun ... checked 7Timer Bretti weather for Friday night, = clear and cloudless, with rain and thunder storms.!!! :confused2::question::screwy: :shrug: :confused2:

Better plan, check out the window. :P

[Inmykombi]

LOL, I said once before it would be easier to understand a chooks feet dipped in paint then have it dance on some A4 paper, instead of trying to understand 7 timer....;) but that's just me....

[GTB_an_Owl]

lessons on reading 7Timer - $65 an hour :P

geoff

[Allan_L]

not a pretty picture

[glend]

I've been watching the radar and charts and its obvious that there is still some light rain or showers up that way. It is 'suppose' to ease off this afternoon and clear this evening in the Hunter region. I still have hopes for Monday but we'll have to wait and see.

[Fizics]

Agree let's pin our hopes on Monday

[glend]

I was awake in the early hours of today and happened to look outside (as you do) and was amazed to see a sky full of stars! Completely clear to the zenith, west, and south with just the remants of wispy altostatus to the east and northeast. So there is hope for Bretti. Wish there was a sky cam out there.:eyepop:

[Inmykombi]

I am disappointed that I will miss out on Bretti this month. Work has become busy with urgent jobs.:( There is no way I can get away during the week. I hope all who go up to Bretti, have clear skies for a change.
Geoffro

[Allan_L]

My heart is telling me to give it a go, but my head is telling me its not worth it.
I may procrastinate a little longer, ... but then again ...

[Allan]

I phoned Gloucester and it was clear there last night, so I am going to head up there and see for myself. There's been fog up there as well which indicates a clear night. Looking at the weather it gets better as the week progresses so should definitely get some observing done sometime in the nights ahead. Not sure how long I will be there for, but probably Wednesday, unless things are going much better or much worse than I plan.

Look forward to catching everyone over the days ahead. Cheers

[Fizics]

Allan keep us posted if you can though I realise there is no phone signal at Bretti.

Allan_L ....I share your sentiments. I will make my decision Monday morning.

Also weather does not look good for pony club tonight.

[Allan]

Guys, I am at Gloucester now, so posting before I lose contact. Lots of blue sky here and very high cloud base, so looks promising.

Posted to encourage you all to give it a go. Cheers again.

[Allan_L]

Thanks for the encouraging report,
good luck for tonight Allan, and hope to see you tomorrow.
clear skies.

(oops, now wife is reconsidering my free pass :help: )

[glend]

I loaded up the camper this morning then it clouded over here. The forecast doesn't look very positive but an onsite report is the best kind and Alan's sounds good.

[glend]

Alan_L what does that 7timer site have to say about our prospects for tonight onward? :question:

[GTB_an_Owl]

7Timer seems to be broken again Glen

geoff

[Allan_L]

yes, 7timer has not updated since 28 March.
Bing weather forecast says scattered showers clearing by 11pm and clear Monday night.

I am just going to have some lunch and head on up there now.

Its a nice short drive anyway.

[Fizics]

Just a thought: if Allan has packed up he would make another post by late this arvo. So then a reasonable assumption is if we have not heard from him that the sky shows promise for tonight.

[glend]

I spoke to Allan_L this morning, I am heading up there today as well. All packed now and I should be off in about 15 minutes. I am not taking the big dob, just the long refractor - less hassle and stuff to pack and deal with at the other end (as you have seen John).

Hope to see you up there John, I can't make any promises about what we may find but there has been no 'warning' from Allan and if he was coming back we'd probably know by now.

I'll take a chance.

[Fizics]

As much I wanted to catch up with you guys everything has conspired against me getting away .... Mainly the weather risk and not being ready to go by 2pm.
Good dose of cloud cover all day here. Disappointing skies.

[Shano592]

Yeah, the rain and thunder last night here were quite heavy.

I hope it didn't decide to go north, and inland a little bit. That would not have been fun.

[glend]

I have just returned from Bretti, no rain other than a few drops during the day. Allan can give you the details on Saturday night as I was not there then. Allan_L and I arrived around 5pm on Sunday. There were clouds moving around so it was a case of observing in the gaps. Monday night was good, at least until the cloud moved in again around 10:30pm but cleared again later but we found fog this morning.

I left the dob at home and used the AR102L refractor exclusively this time. I wanted to see how hard I could push the magnification on it's 102mm f9.8 1000mm fl. Detail on Mars and Jupiter were my primary targets, along with the usual nebs, etc. I pushed it to over the usual refractor target of 2x the aperture (which would have been 204x), using up tp 220x. Best seeing was around 180x however. As usual the TV 11mm Nagler was the best.

We all managed, in our respective scopes, to catch the Ganymede shadow transit on Jupiter last night. Allan seemed to have the best detail on Mars, doing filter swaps, (and you'd expect so with all that aperture) but I could see the polar cap and the major dark hook feature (Syrtis Major I think).

I came back today because the forecast was for widespread rain from early tomorrow morning and I did not want to pack up in the rain. I hope the two Allans have great viewing tonight, probably be the best as I have left.

[glend]

So Alan_L, where is that rain? Not a problem, it was amazingly clear here at home last night.

[Allan]

You should have stayed after all Glen, oh well. We had a great night. Usual clouds at sunset, and then clear sky an hour or so later. Allan and I ploughed our way around the sky until about 2:30am. SQM averaged at 21.55, so the same as Chaffey.

We looked at everything we could think of. Planets, asteroids, galaxies, nebulae, clusters, meteors, satellites. I managed to observe the last of the Messier galaxies in Virgo with my 10x50's, so I have observed all the Messier objects with the binoculars now.

We had a bit of dew but the heaters kept that at bay, and then the fog rolled in early this morning again. I was happy to get in 2 long clear nights of observing, and the day time weather was good as well.

It's only 2 hours drive, so I think I will make it a semi regular trip around the new moon. Even for 1 or 2 nights only. Time will tell. Thanks guys for your company. Cheers

[Allan_L]

Well Glen, I just reported what the weather experts predicted :shrug:

And as Allan said the viewing was pretty darn good Tuesday night.
I hit the sack about 3pm.
Viewed everything on my planning list (first time ever).
View of Saturn was so clear I decided to push it with my 3mm Radian.
That's 500x.(A little over actually as I had the Paracorr installed).
And it was still able to produce a pretty nice image :eyepop:
Rings (and division) very clear and nice banding of the planet.
And the image was Big and beautiful!

Sorry the regulars did not manage to make it, but we had a nice little gathering, some interested neighbours dropped by for a view and were suitably impressed, the weather was pleasant (no rain while I was there of any consequence), and warm enough to sleep with the doors open, but not too hot in the day!
Not much else you could ask for really.

Thanks Allan and Glen for your company and the shared views.
A definite regular new moon destination of choice (IMHO).

[glend]

For your consideration, the April New Moon falls on the 29th which is a Tuesday. The IISAC, for those going, finishes on Sunday the 27th. Last time we were at Bretti there was a discussion about returning for the New Moon on 28-30th of April, which gives the IISAC attendees a nearby option for continuing through the New Moon period. For those not going to IISAC a three day New Moon trip to Bretti might be an alternative.

All of this is subject to weathe of course. It might also provide the Sydney people with a chance to 'get out of town' since the Blue Mtns Airfield has been socked in on recent attempts. Post up if interested.:question:

[Inmykombi]

Sounds Good to me.
I will plan on leaving Wed April 30th....:D Coming back the Saturday or Sunday after.
It will be after Easter and Anzac Day as well which may keep the holiday crowds down to a minimum if we are lucky.

How does that sound to all others in concern ?

Geoffro

[Jezkerwin]

Thanks for this suggestion of Bretti, this place looks perfect for night photography and star gazing.
I've been wanting to find a place where I could camp and have clear view's of the sky and this looks like the perfect place.

[Inmykombi]

Hi Jeremy,
Bretti is certainly a great place. Dark skies and quiet surroundings makes for a great campsite for those with scopes....or those without scopes....I look forward to getting up there, and hope you can make it too....

Geoffro.

[Shano592]

Sounds like a good plan. Unfortunately, we will be in China on business.

Maybe when we get back, I may slide on up to Bretti for a few days... weather and Moon permitting.

The great thing, is that it is only about 75 minutes further out than the Pony Club, for me.

[Inmykombi]

It would be great to see you there Shane.
Only 75 mins further hey...... We'll you have no excuse now....;)

[Shano592]

I have been driving up to Gloucester (and the Barringtons) with Sue, for short breaks. But we always seem to time it (poorly) so that it is too close to the full moon, so looking up has been out of the question.

Yeah, the distance is easy enough, and the drive is good.

Workload is my biggest issue. China this month, as well as in June... and Perth in September/October.

[Inmykombi]

Hi Jeremy. Try and catch up with us up there set Bretti.
I am sure you will have a great time up there with all of us.
Geoffro

[glend]

I will be there Geoff. Pretty busy period coming up. Trying to finish the 127mm refractor build before I go up to Glenbawn Dam the week after Good Friday for a family camping holiday with my son (must take a scope) then back home over Anzac weekend then up to Bretti for the New Moon. Glad I am not trying to squeeze IISAC in there as welll.

Other than Geoff and I, and I think that Allan and Allan_l indicated a return trip this month, who else is interested? John? Others? All welcome.

[Inmykombi]

Wow Glen you are busy this month.
That refractor sound very nice indeed.

Work is the governing factor with me too, so here's hoping.

I am really hoping for nice weather and good skies for us.
It's about time we had a good break from the less than desirable nights we have been suffering lately.


Geoffro

[Arthur Alchin]

Am not really free for a weekend to July or august unfortunately. Will then try to endure the winter cold and the absolutely perfect skies :)

[glend]

Arthur I don't believe we were considering a traditional weekend rather the days on or just after the New Moon, like the 29th or 30th of April onward. I know Allan will be at IISAC until the 27th. I thought Geoff was ok with that based on previous posts suggesting days from the Wednesday to Saturday, but maybe I am wrong. If there is no interest in the April New Moon then fair enough. I only raised it because both Allan's suggested it as a monthly thing.

[Allan]

Glen I am straight back into work after IISAC, so I can't make it to Bretti. May is the SPSP. So for me June will be the next time I can consider Bretti, and that depends on what my work roster is like then. Will be keen to look through your new scope by then, and I might have my Zambuto mirror around June or July, so will definitely need a Bretti trip to test it out.

[glend]

Looks like I maybe required to be in Sydney for a couple of days that new moon week, if so I'll have to miss this one. Sorry Geoff. Not completely out yet though.

[Inmykombi]

Its not looking good for me either at present.
Lots of stuff happening with work and privately as well.

I can't seem to get break at present, if the weather is good I can't get out under the stars.

Geoffro.

[Allan_L]

Starting to look like I will be there alone, again.
still...
weather looks promising for Monday to Wednesday.
hoping for some company.

Got the scope out at home last night (Sunday April 20)...
sky was clear as,
but seeing was not so great...
ahh for the dark crisp clear nights that Bretti provides :campfire: :astron::stargaze: :ship2:

[glend]

I have been at Lake Glenbawn since Easter Sunday and conditions have been great. Best night was a 21.81 on the Sky Quality Meter which is better than the 21.77 at Chaffey Dam on the first night there. Had some high haze last night but it has cleared this morning. My last night here tonight then home tomorrow. The new Hunter Expressway was a real joy and reduced the trip significantly. It is only 167kms from my place to Lake Glenbawn. Only problem with this site is a lack of level ground but there is enough for scopes.

I will try to get to Bretti but I can not promise due to daughters schedule.

[Allan_L]

OK. Looks like Bretti trip may be postponed for me this month too.
Weather is not looking promising.
A close work colleague has lost her fight with cancer and funeral is Monday.
and... my azimuth drive has died and needs repair or replacement.
I have no notion of how to do this, so looks like an appointment in Glebe.
:(

[absolut]

Hey guys!!

Work has been more than a handful since Sept last year, so it's been hard to plan on anything happening outside of public holidays or weekends...

I've just got home from IISAC2014. It was fairly typical lostock conditions... a bit humid, the usual sky glow and some unsettled sky. Really miss Bretti!

It sucks the June long weekend is a full moon or that would have been perfect.

Given enough notice I think I can swing a few days off to make a long weekend. New moon at the end of June (27/28) suit anyone?

Rob

[glend]

Sure Rob, June sounds good at this point - but what about May New Moon as well, it's much closer and we've missed out on April for various reasons.

Personally I am 'astronomied out' after my week at Lake Glenbawn and have things on this week anyway. I have to get back to work on my refractor build too.

I know Allen is committed to SPSP in May, but how do others feel about May New Moon?

[absolut]

Hey Glen!

May is too soon for me. I am unable to get any leave on less than 6-8 weeks of notice at the moment. :(

June will be pushing it a little, I may have to settle for a 1 night fast camp on a Saturday night.

I have a few gear tweaks to get sorted in the next month or two, crossing my fingers I can get some of them done before the next time I camp. :)

Rob

[Arthur Alchin]

Horray managed to get some time off :)

Will be heading for Bretti reserve on the 22nd of August for 4-5 nights.

Yes you may say that's months away but some of us need early notification unfortunately.

The new moon is on the Monday night (25 th) so will have the lead up amd follow up skies. Remember this on will be pretty cool temp wise so we will need a camp fire and freezer suits and a sleeping bag rated to at least -4

Feel free to add to this at your leisure

Arthur

[jakob]

I will get the long johns ready!

[Arthur Alchin]

Got told yesterday leave not possible. Not a happy chappy as you can imagine. May be a possibility for the camp if not I can see a job search coming in the crystal ball. Currently have 10 weeks up my sleeve and can't access them :shrug:

[Arthur Alchin]

May still get the last week of August off for Bretti, will keep you posted

[Arthur Alchin]

Got the week off for Bretti in August, will be going either the 24 th or 25 th for 4 or 5 or 6 days, will depend :lol:

[Allan_L]

That's great news Arthur.
May Bretti was just not the same without you... :question: :question: :question:
It was so darn quiet ;)

[jakob]

Thanks for the good company, very enjoyable and perfect Damper.

Here the Snaps!

[glend]

I had a visit from new IIS member Scott (Skullmurphy user id) who has recently acquired a new Orion XX14 Goto dob. Scott wanted to look at how I made my dob wheel barrow handles as he is trying to come up with a design that will work with the vertical supports on the side of the Orion. Scott is located nearby (Caves Beach) and still hasn't managed to get first light through his new scope due to the rain and cloud.

The reason for that information is that Scott expressed an interest in coming out to Bretti and asked about the next trip. All I could tell him with certainty is that we'll probably be out there at the end of August but to watch this (and the other) Bretti threads for news. He seems to be able to go for more than just a weekend which is always good.

Anyway Scott if your reading this, welcome to IIS and it was nice to meet you and hear about your Orion. Watch this space for Bretti news.

[absolut]

Hey guys and welcome Scott!

Haven't posted for a bit - work has been insane. :sadeyes:

I've arranged for 2 days off from work for the June new moon (26/27), fingers crossed the weather will be good. I'll be heading up on the 26th (Thurs) and should be there until the Sunday morning.

Everyone is welcome to join in! :D

Rob

[glend]

Rob, I'll say I'm a chance if I can re-arrange a few things. Hope for clearing weather as well. I see there maybe a Pony Club evening around then as well.

[absolut]

Hey!

I've checked the forecast and it is looking pretty good for Bretti this week!

I'll be heading up Thurs and returning either late Sat or early Sunday..

All are welcome! :thumbsup:

Clear skies!

Rob

[glend]

Well Rob, given that the Pony Club is a no-go for next Saturday maybe we can get a group together for Bretti. What say ye folks?

I might need Jakob's help to sort out my autoguiding if he's available.

Arthur when can I get that Dew Controller?

[mathewb]

Hi all,

I'm wondering, how noob friendly are the Bretti observing nights?

Cheers,
Matt.

[Arthur Alchin]

Can't do Bretti for just one night as I get home from work 1800 Friday night so will be having a home viewing night in the driveway with warm food, wine and spirits. Will just have to do it hard this time.

Definitely doing Bretti August 25 th

[Allan]

Matt, the Bretti camps are very friendly and we enjoy having as many people there as possible. The sky there is very dark, great for hunting faint stuff. Will be an easy drive from Branxton.

Guys, I am half way through my training so have a few days off over the weekend. I will keep an eye out here to check if there are still some takers this weekend. I might come up Saturday afternoon for a quick session and head home Sunday morning.

[absolut]

Hey guys!

I'd sit somewhere on a scale of 1 to total n00b, and I'm friendly enough! :)

The weather for the 4 days is looking amazing! :thumbsup:

Feel free to come along and join in! :hi: :welcome:

I'm just about to start packing the car, so I'll hit the road by 10:30am. Plan to stop for supplies along the way.

I'll be setting up camp in the usual place.

Clear skies!!

PS: Allan, does that mean Bundy will get a day out too?.. :D

[glend]

I can't make it this week and will have to make do with some imaging practice from home. Have a great time Rob, Allen, and who ever else can get there.

[absolut]

A debrief as it were...

Thursday night was great - atmosphere was a little wibbly-wobbly, but nearly zero dew and mild temps... met a nice couple camped next door, gave them a bit of a sky tour last night - lots of "ooooo" and "aaahhhh" so I'll take that as a job well done! :D

Friday night was interesting - dew that would have rated on the Lostock scale, but, just for a curve ball - temperature dropped fast - there was frozen dew on the tents by 10:30pm! Full ground cover frost kicked in a little later.
I managed to get some nice viewing in though. Had to call it around 11pm though, battery was hammered from the cold.

Saturday started well enough, but the wind picked up and was very gusty by lunch time, I started packing when I saw the approaching storm. The rain that followed wasn't very nice. I made my escape about 2pm.

Clear skies all, and the August crew better bring extra thermals, I have a feeling it is going to be a cold one!!

Rob

[Allan_L]

Hi Rob,
I am glad you got some good viewing in.:thumbsup:
Good on you for braving the cold.
I have to admit to being tempted to join you, but having just returned from a week in Melbourne, my body was not ready for another cold few nights, just yet.
Hope to catch up again soon!
Allan

[DENMONKEY]

Thanks to Allan I have a new mount and would love the opportunity for a nice dark sky to test it on/in/under.
Like Matt though I'm still on my Ls and would love to pop along if there is someone heading up and don't mind passing on some knowledge.
I do love my camping.
I don't have any dew heaters and by the sounds of it they would need to be source before heading up.

Matt, maybe let me know if you're planning on a trip and we can noob it up together.

[glend]

Brett I don't know about this month but there is definitely a group heading up to Bretti for the August New Moon week. Speaking to Arthur A last Sunday he indicate he wants to go for most of the week (having booked the time off). The August New Moon is on Tuesday the 26th but for us it's pretty much irrelevant as the remnants will be rising during the morning and setting around dark. So any time from Sunday the 24th onward is good.

Also Arthur A is making Dew Heater Controllers at a very attractive price so send him a private message if interested ($35 is hard to beat).

[DENMONKEY]

Cheers Glend,

already hit up Arthur for one and will knock up my own straps.
August is sounding great. I'm off for the first portion of the week I believe, so at the very least may be able to make it up for the weekend and head back monday.
Heck, its even close enough for a day trip to say hi.
I'll keep an eye on the thread as it gets closer.

[Arthur Alchin]

Yep Brett, just waiting for the parts to arrive amd will be finished well before Bretti weekend.

I plan on arriving on the Monday all being good, really need the break. Will be sussing out some hot showers in either caravan parks or pubs for the first few days till Geoffro ( Inmykombi) arrives with his turbo max propane driven electron accelerator water heater, wow what a beast ��

Addition: have just increased the cell heater capacity on my 16" to 90 watts, still below the capacity of the single unit. Just have to get some 3mm vidaflex sheathing to cover the nichrome with,

[glend]

Just bumping this up to remind people of the August New Moon long camp at Bretti for anyone wanting to join us there that week. I think the maximum number I have seen there would be 12, so let's see if we can get more people involved this time. Stay tuned.

[Allan_L]

Just to re-iterate, there is enough flat, open, space for several hundred of you. and it is totally Free. Just bring your own everything.

[glend]

There are only five weeks till the Bretti August New Moon (aka 'End of Winter') Dark Site Camping Trip. By the end of August it will be starting to warm up so maybe the nights won't be so cold but dew heaters are probably a good idea, or at least fans for the mirror guys. Arthur A is planning to spend the whole week at Bretti and I think I will be there for most of it as well, so come up as you can as there are sure to be others there.

As per Allan L's advice, you will need to bring drinking water, but the river water can be used for showers and washing. There are drop toilets on the site, and rubbish bins. You will need to bring your own power equipment, although for charging there are usually a couple of generators that IIS members bring along.

Details on Bretti Reserve can be found here:

http://www.findacamp.com.au/camp-site.php?camp=605

or Google it and check out all the info published.

This is a very good dark site, which regularly returns Sky Quality Meter readings in excess of 21.7 :eyepop:

Hope to see you there.:thumbsup:

[Arthur Alchin]

Just waiting for the arrival od the box and will get the controller finished, hopefully will arrive this week or next at the lastest

[Arthur Alchin]

Yes four weeks to this winter extravaganza. Put it in the diaries guys, maybe one night there, maybe more, it's all your choice, me I'm going to sacrifice a week of my life to go there, what punishment 😄😄

[Allan]

Hi guys. My training is almost finished, I have got my simulator check ride next Friday. Then my life will be back to normal again. I have got my roster and have 2 weeks off over the August new moon so I am looking forward to Bretti.

I bought a suit off Geoff and a very warm sleeping bag at the Kathmandu sale so I am now impervious to the cold, just what you need at Bretti in winter.

See you all in a month

[glend]

Great to hear Allan, I hope you will be bringing the Televue NP101 along as well as the dob, as I would love to have a look.

I am trying to work out how I can bring my new imaging newt/mount and the big dob, (and the dog of course). :question:

[Allan]

Yes, 2 telescopes and a dog is at the limit for me too and requires a bit more care in packing the car. I have used the NP101 a few times under dark skies now and it is really impressive. The almost 5 degree field of view with the 31 Nagler is pretty cool. I will definitely bring it along for anyone who wants to have a play.

I have ordered some Brandon and Takahashi eyepieces I want to try out as well, so I will look forward to that at Bretti.

[DENMONKEY]

Just a quick check as to what is kosher for one of these weekends.
I'm guessing I should leave the fire wood at home ?

Also, I'm a hammock camper when there is an option.
Would anyone know if there are suitable trees in the general vicinity for me to hang or should I bring the tent ?

[Allan]

G'day Brett. Is it a heated hammock? It's going to be pretty cold at night. We setup well clear of the trees to get the clearest view, but there are trees off in the distance if you're keen. We all use tents or motor homes for the fancy people.

Camp fire smoke and optics don't generally play well together, so the guys don't usually do the fire thing. We warm up the insides with port and whiskey and the like. It's a lot of fun.

[Arthur Alchin]

The next stop is Bretti, no tickets required for this trip

[DENMONKEY]

cheers Allan,
I kinda figured that for the fire.
Glend also shot me a pm.
I didn't want to be the only guy without fire wood if it was needed.
The hammock isn't heated but I like the idea.
It's not your average hammock set up and I've had it down to around 0c (good to -10c or so) and been snug as a bug in a rug.
Tent it is though. Will be easier to drag the scope into the tent than have it swinging with me in the hammock.
I'll be sure to pack the sambuca to warm the cockles.
I'm crossing my fingers and toes that the planets aline and I can make the trip.
I'm very much looking forward to it.

I appreciate you all being so welcoming.

[Arthur Alchin]

Might make up another 4 channel controller and take is as a standby in case the other rather famous brands break down 😄😄

[Inmykombi]

Regarding a fire, sometimes we have a fire during the day, and let it die down at night, I do love a campfire to cook with, so I will be bringing some wood along. It's also nice to warm up a bit on a cold day / evening. No new flash camping accessories this trip. Just the usual hot water heater for a hot shower....
I will try to get up there on the Wednesday morning early to make the most of a few days away.

[Fizics]

Wish I could get to Bretti this time but will not able to make it. Seems July through to October end of months is booked out with other events. Middle of month ok.....oh well guess the moon won't change cycle for me.
Seems it will be a great camp.

[Inmykombi]

Bummer you cannot make it John. Better luck next time.

[glend]

Just three weeks to go to till the Bretti End of Winter Dark Site Trip!

Still plenty of time to do that scope/mount maintenance you have been putting off, buy that new EP, upgrade your power system, get that bit of extra camping gear, and top up the LPG tank, etc.

There will be IIS members at Bretti for most if not all of the New Moon week (24th -31st), so come along when you can make it.

More details on the site are here:
http://www.findacamp.com.au/camp-site.php?camp=605

More information in post #118 below.

:eyepop:

[Arthur Alchin]

If anyone is considering a new sleeping bag for the trip consider the bags minimal temp, normally on the label, needs to be rated down to at least -3 or 4, even then I would consider an extra blanket or two.

The lowest temp we have experienced up there is -2 to -3 and it's nice to have a bag that keeps that on the outside. Beware of the bags in the department stores, they are usually summer weight bags.

I also have a cheap blanket that is doubled over and sewn across one short and one long side making an envelope that you can slide into then into the sleeping bag: comfort, that's what I like ����


Mines rate at -6 and it is so nice ������

[Allan_L]

I agree Arthur, I got mine from Rays Outdoors, and it is very nice.

AND a cheap, old fashioned HOT Water Bottle makes an amazing difference on a cold clear night.

(And for lateral thinkers: one of the Katoomba guys also uses a hot water bottle with his eyepieces, to keep them above ambient and free from dew)

Finally, on a General Chat thread http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=124180, it came out that heat radiation (the major cause of dew formation) is minimised on aluminised surfaces... This trip I intend to experiment with a "space blanket" (basic aluminised sheet) to cover the Dob while in use - anything that helps is worth a try.
see: http://www.windowoutdoors.com/Window...0Radiation.htm
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[gmbfilter]

Hope to go this time myself
I've even found my tent

[Arthur Alchin]

Great Geoff, look forward to catching up again

[Arthur Alchin]

In Big W at tuggerah yesterday for $5 each in the main aisle down fromthe entrance.

I have a space blanket might give it a go also

Maybe aluminium doesn't lose it's heat as quickly??!?

[Arthur Alchin]

Wow the list grows of victims for the Bretti camp 😄

Who have we got so far

Arthur, Geoff, Geoff, Geoff, Allan, Allan, Glenn, ?jacob , Brett, sorry I have forgotten the names of the other guys, please forgive me and add them 😊

[glend]

Jakob has told me through a PM related to imaging that he is going to try and get there for some of the days. Rob seemed to indicate back in post #110 that he would be there at the end of August, hopefully he will post up on that. What about Shano he's always saying he's interested.

[Allan_L]

Back on an earlier theme, I have noticed that Wyong Camping Warehouse Store is closing down.
Everything in store is 30% off.
This includes tents (only few remaining), sleeping bags, and camping equipment and apparel.

It is located in Howarth Street Wyong, near Wyong railway station.
I had a look yesterday, and stocks are visually depleted already.
But I could not find anything I didn't know I needed :shrug:

[GTB_an_Owl]

thanks Al

picked up a new tarp

and likewise "I could not find anything I didn't know I needed"

geoff

[Shano592]

Hi Glen,

I'd like to get up to Bretti, but I think work is going to get in my way, for the foreseeable future.

Looks like I may have to be content with the Pony Club for the next few months at least.

I'm not ruling Bretti out yet, but I can't commit until probably the week of the event.

[Arthur Alchin]

No probs Shane, I know what it's like, this is my first break since a week in feb, gets frustrating at times when you see others pushing off and work commitments are in the way :)

[Arthur Alchin]

Anybody seen the Russian TAL-2 150mm on ebay?? 3 days left and no bids, an interesting bit of astronomical history :)

[DENMONKEY]

I think I will have 2 more, maybe 3 with me.
They're more interested in camping/social than astronomy as such.
They do have a small scope of sorts that seen light about 3 years ago. I'm hoping the trip will perk their interest a little more :)

If they come I'll probably grab a spot away from the set up site to make camp and still drive up or walk up to where you guys are be part of the 'event' .

I'm still moving house the weekend before, so providing there are no surprises I'll be there with bells on.

I've not looked forward to something this much for quite a while and I'm heading off to see Queen (or what's left of them ) for the first time on the 26th.

Should be a great weeks of 1sts for me.

[Arthur Alchin]

Looking forward to catching up, will bring he heater controller with me unless you want to pick it up earlier

[absolut]

Hey guys,

Sounds like Aug Bretti will be huge!!

Sadly I can't make it. Other commitments have raised their heads to make the trip unworkable. :(

I hope you guys have a great great time!!!

Rob

[DENMONKEY]

I'll grab it off you up there Arthur if that's ok.
I won't have time between now and then to knock up the straps, so I won't need it before then for testing etc.

see you there.

[glend]

For those people considering what days they might want to get to Bretti for this upcoming New Moon period, and seeking the maximum darkness that the site offers, here are the periods of lunar influence (or potential influence) over that week:

Sat the 23rd: Moon sets at 3:31pm * No Moon.
Sun the 24th: Moon rises at astro dawn and sets at 4:24pm * No Moon.
Mon the 25th: Moon rises at dawn and sets at 5:17pm * No Moon
Tue the 26th: Moon rises in daylight and sets at 6:10pm *New Moon
Wed the 27th: Moon rises in daylight and sets at 7:04pm * Min Moon
Thu the 28th: Moon rises in daylight and sets at 7:58pm * Min+ Moon
Fri the 29th: Moon rises in daylight and sets at 8:53pm * Min++ Moon
Sat the 30th: Moon rises in daylight and sets at 9:49pm *Wax 1/8 Moon

As you can see later in the week the Moon starts to make its presence felt again in the early evening but if your prepared to wait for it to set on those days there is no influence.

Truth is the whole week is very good. :eyepop:

[Allan]

I am going to start coming up with observing ideas. One I've noticed straight away is Comet Siding Spring which passes across NGC362 in the SMC. It is moving pretty fast and transits the cluster in about two hours starting 1am on Friday morning while we are at Bretti. I think it will be about mag 8 so will probably get lost while transiting the cluster, but apart from that it will be around all week for us to see.

I remember when we were there this time last year that the Veil was in a good position in the north for us to see. As was M31 rising through the trees on the top of that big peak to the north. Then there are all those galaxies in Fornax and Grus high in the sky.

Anyone else found any good observing ideas for the week?

[glend]

Allan, M42, our old friend Orion Nebula, the harbinger of spring is rising in the east earlier each night, it will be up clear of the hill to the east and the trees if youve setup in the right place, up around 36 degree E at 4am and 47 degrees E by 5am if you can wait for it. Mars and Saturn are spending the week travelling very close together ( 3.5 degrees) will be around 54 degrees high in the West at around 7pm on Sunday the 24th, but visible together all week.

Neptune is at Oppostion on the 29th, with its face fully illuminated, so this will be the best week to observe it (7.8 magnitude)

[Allan]

Good one Glen. I have my eye on the planets because I have 2 new pairs of bino eyepieces to try out on them.

[Arthur Alchin]

Will get the dpust off mine when we are awy, have 2 meets of eyepieces: 7.5s and 40s, what are you using Allan

[Allan]

Arthur, I now have the 21mm Denkmeiers, 15mm TeleVue Plossls, 16mm Brandon's and 18mm Takahashi Abbe Orthos. That's all the options I need with the power switch on the Denk bino's. I may sell some of these pairs off once I have done my comparisons.

[DENMONKEY]

I have a set of the WO binos.
A new set of EPs to work with these are on my list of purchases (fair way down the list though) as they didn't come with the original EPs 20mm but came with 2 x 11mm when I picked them up from trade section on here quite a while ago.
I'd like to get something lower powered for a wider field of view.

So I will be interested in which way you go with these Allan

[glend]

Just two weeks to go now. I am putting a link here to a Limiting Magnitude Calculator and encourage people to plug their scope details into this calculator to work out your potential visual limiting magnitude at a dark site like Bretti. You may think you know what it is already but manufacturer published figures used in advertising are based on a certain set of assumptions, and plugging in your actual data including site sky condition data will yield different results. So give it a go.

When you get down to Sky Conditions there is a place to enter the Sky Quality Meter reading - use 21.8 which is the typical figure for Bretti. ALso, you can play around with it to see if cleaning your mirror is going to make a difference - and it does. Here is the link:

http://www.cruxis.com/scope/limitingmagnitude.htm


In addition, I have three potential target's for Allan's Observation List:

1. The Seashell Galaxy (NGC 5291) Mag 14.1 which will be just above M83 at 7:35pm on Sunday the 24th (260 W, 50 Alt). This one will test the limiting magnitude and the sky quality.

https://yahoov4s1-a.akamaihd.net/sh/27/65934649_8bac9039d1.jpg

2. There is a galaxy cluster around (NGC 5903, 5898, etc) around Mag 11.2 located at 286W 66 Alt at 7:35pm.

http://cseligman.com/text/atlas/ngc5898wide.jpg

3. Seyfert's Sextet, NGC 6027, Mag 13.5, 343W 34 Alt.

http://images.sky-map.org/star_image/000/000480.jpeg

These three are all in these positions early in the night (7:35pm) and with good altitude (although Seyfert's Sextet is abit low). Obviously as the night and nights go on during the week there are thousands of others.

[GTB_an_Owl]

i have a doctors app on the monday - so tuesday at best before i can travel up

hope to have the scope all back to-gether by then - new base progressing slowly
need new encoders for argo

geoff

[Arthur Alchin]

All good Geoff, will see ya when ya get there, will be travelling and sitting on the "official" call channel for CBers channel 11, no longer channel 8

[glend]

Can we get a roll call going on who is travelling up and when?

I am planning on going up on Sunday the 24th and staying at least until Thursday the 28th depending on some medical appointments. I figured that Sunday is the start of the best moon-less 'window' and any weekend campers at Bretti will be leaving that day.

Anyone else decided yet?

[Allan]

I am going to wait and let the weather decide for me. But anytime there is a good weather window from the Sunday or Monday onwards I will head up there.

[Allan_L]

Like (other) Allan, I am thinking Sunday arvo, or Monday, but depends on the weather and forecast.

[Arthur Alchin]

Monday ( not mundane) is my choice at present, if it's. Goer I will be there pretty early

[gmbfilter]

Trying to get away Tuesday
New scope XX12g to try
Will need one of your dew controllers Arthur

[Allan_L]

Ahhh! You bought it! :thumbsup: Fantastic.
Welcome Back !!! :welcome:

see ya there.

[GTB_an_Owl]

xx12g! - explain? please


geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

never mind - found it

congrats geoff

geoff

[Rick Petrie]

Another Orion...welcome to the club Geoff.:thumbsup:

[gmbfilter]

Thank you

[Arthur Alchin]

Have to leave the camp on Wednesday morning and travel to wagga, will return to the camp Thursday afternoon, hoping someone can keep an eye on my gear and keep the 16 inch company on Wednesday night

[glend]

Arthur of course there will be plenty of 'babysitters' for your scope.

[Inmykombi]

No probs Arthur. I will look after all your eyepieces too.;)

[glend]

Well a week out now. Hopefully there is time for the weather to improve. I noticed overnight that there had been less rain than expected out Gloucester way (20mm in the last 24 hrs), compared to the rain on the coast. Looking at the radar a couple of times last night there was nothing showing so that's good for keeping the site reasonably dry. Fingers crossed. Any Seven Timer news?

[GTB_an_Owl]

here you go Glen

http://weather.gtbonline.com.au/index.php/7timer-bretti

geoff

[DENMONKEY]

I'm planning on heading up Saturday lunchish and staying till Monday weather pending if course.

[Arthur Alchin]

Been watching the home weather station ( albeit coastal) with the humidity in the nineties and the barometric pressure dropping from a nice 1030 kp a all last week to a lousey 1004 over the weekend this week looks horribly wet for the duration.

Currently it has rise to 1010 so it's got a long way to go before my telescopes going to see the dark of night. I just don't have a big enough rain coat for it.

Will be watching the weather like a hawk for the next few days, please keep me informed if there is any new news around the Gloucester area usually find that some degree of the coastal weather filters to the west, it's just a matter of how much

[glend]

Arthur with week to go till the New Moon I am still optomistic that some of next week will be useful. Its true that looking (or hearing) the rain hitting the coast tonight, it would be easy to imagine a muddy disaster, but a couple of sunny days and she'll be right. You might need the gumboots though if the cows have been in that part of the reserve.

[glend]

Just further on the recent weather at Bretti, I consulted the Bureau of Meterology page on rainfall figures for the last 24 hours. Bretti only had 1mm of rain in the 24hours to 9am today, Gloucester had 3mm. If you'd like to monitor this just go to this page:

http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/flood/midnorth.shtml

Each of the little dots is a reporting station, and you can find Bretti and Gloucester easily by placing your cursor on the blue dots around the Manning area.

So regardless of what is happening on the coast it is not necessarily an indicator of what conditions will be like at Bretti.

By Saturday we should have a much better understanding of what conditions will be like in that area for much of next week.

[Shano592]

Yeah, the rain does tend to be more coastal, than inland.

I hope you guys can get a dry week in. And hopefully it translates to similar results at the PC, too.

[GTB_an_Owl]

i bought my gumboots to-day

geoff

[gmbfilter]

Couple of pairs of warm socks as well :thumbsup:

[GTB_an_Owl]

yes i allready have those Geoff
just need to remember to pack them

geoff

[glend]

Looking at the four day weather chart, up to Sunday night, it does not look encouraging for early next week. Let's hope it changes.

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/4day_col.shtml

[GTB_an_Owl]

yes Glen - the weather forecast for next week just went from BAD to WORSE

i think we need a miracle - otherwise we need a big tarp, plenty of wood, and a couple of dozen bottles of port - OH, and gumboots

geoff

[gmbfilter]

Good idea for a few days off
You make it sound soo tempting
Don't forget matches
Anything else we might need?

[glend]

Wish we had a webcam setup at Bretti to give us onsite intell. Ozforecast does provide a link out to nearby webcams, for example:

http://ozforecast.com.au/cgi-bin/weather.cgi?location=Gloucester.NSW&pagetype=webcam

As you can see it is wonderfully clear out there at the moment, but the nearest of these webcams seems to be Dungowon (118kms away).

Interestingly Dungowon seems to be close to Tamworth, might Lake Chaffey be an option? But the forecast for Tamworth doesn't seem much better. :confused2:

[Allan]

I see it all the time flying into Sydney, this band of cloud going right up the east coast that forms just out to sea and extends 50 to 100 km inland. West of that there isn't a cloud in the sky. As much as Bretti is one of my favourite dark spots it will always cop this poor coastal weather.

I've been keeping an eye on the Tamworth weather and while it's still not the best, there appears some chance of clear nights there next week, which I doubt we will see at Bretti. I've got a couple of weeks off and I'm keen to get as much observing in during this new moon as I can. So at this stage it looks like Chaffey Dam for me.

[GTB_an_Owl]

Chaffey Dam forecast not much better i'm afraid Allan

http://weather.gtbonline.com.au/index.php/7timer-chaffey

geoff

[Allan]

Yes that doesn't look too good. I prefer the weather forecast I have been watching, so I will stick with that and see how we go.

[DENMONKEY]

based on the current radar images and the forecasts for the weekend I'm going to change my trip status to unlikely unless the weather does a nice 180.
I'm figuring others are about to do the same.

I'll keep an eye on the thread for the next one or may do a trip up there on another weekend just to scope the site out (pun intended) .

Arthur, I'll be in touch via PM to arrange some folding stuff for your pocket.

cheers Brett

[Arthur Alchin]

I will watch the weather over the weekend but there will have to be a quick and very dramatic change in the meteorological conditions for me to consider going to Bretti on Monday.

Weatherzone is predicting a 90% chance of rain up to and including Thursday. With a humidity of >90 of a night so eve if no rain the dew will kill each night.

I don't want to spend a week sitting in a tent.

Unfortunately Chaffey is out as I have to travel to wagga on Wednesday and the extra distance will be prohibitive, if anyone wants to visit wagga you can always come along for a drive

[Allan_L]

any other options?

[Allan_L]

Cobar looks mostly sunny .. :shrug:
But 8 hours drive !

[gmbfilter]

Lake Bathurst
astroboy has an observatory he rents
He might have a paddock to camp in

[glend]

I had a look through the Camp 7 book trying to find someplace suitable further west (ie not in a town or adjacent to the main highway) and there are not many places like Bretti.

The following weekend of 29th, 30th of August might be the only option in the near term to get clearing conditions but the moon is (by that time) setting at 8:55 and 9:50pm respectively - still if its clear I could live with that if I have the rest of the night and can see Orion rise. However, I will be mainly imaging and can get everything setup while the moon is up and don't have to stay by the scope once I start the guiding and camera.

For now I am 'on hold' until it clears, but I can leave at pretty short notice if it does.

[GTB_an_Owl]

wed to sat next week look good on 7Timer for bretti

geoff

[glend]

I just rang the Gloucester Visitor Centre and spoke to Christine about conditions for astronomy. She advised that they have not had much rain, backing up the figures from the Met office, but it is overcast today with few breaks in it.

[gb_astro]

Assuming Bretti is not on any of you guys interested in the Pony Club tonight?
7Timer is saying clear all night.
Greg.

[gmbfilter]

I could be if it stops raining
I was planning to go to Bretti Tuesday or later anyway


Be good training for greater things

[gb_astro]

Hmmm..definitely something wrong with my 7Timer app.

Greg.

[gmbfilter]

Anyone one else going or thinking of going??

[Arthur Alchin]

Sorry guys, in Canberra this weekend

[Allan_L]

Coolah Tops anyone?
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=1098161#post109816 1

It is a National Park, but it is free entry and free camping.

313km drive (3hours 37minutes from Wyong)
about same latitude as Bretti, but 300km inland from coast.

Just a thought:shrug:

[gmbfilter]

I'll give it a try

[gmbfilter]

I still hope to get to Bretti
Hope to leave Tuesday

[jakob]

Chaffey Dam would be safer regarding clouds.
Just had a look at Tamworth Webcams, no Clouds!

[glend]

I am staying put until there is an improvement to the four day weather chart from the Met, which is updated between 2-3pm daily. I'd rather not chase a one night clear sky possibily if there is a trough full of cloud coming in for the next three.

Allan I could not go to Coolah anytime because of the dog, but give it a go if you have confidence in the sky you'll find. We need some eyes out west.

Jakob I would drive that far if I was convinced about the prospects.

[glend]

The BOM has released the weather chart up for up until 10pm Thursday,
the east coast low does feature in that period. However, it appears that it maybe moving off to the east by late Thursday.

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/4day_col.shtml

Tonight might be a possible and I will try to get setup later at home.

Maybe the Pony Club could be considered by some if it stays dry and clears.

[GTB_an_Owl]

weather for Coolah Tops

http://weather.gtbonline.com.au/index.php/coolah-tops

looks pretty good me thinks

geoff

[Inmykombi]

Where at Coolah are we talking about. ? I cant see a camping area there.

[GTB_an_Owl]

this is probably one of the sites geoff


geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

Allan might confirm

geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

be wednesday before i could leave for Coolah

doctors monday - last minute jobs on my scope and purchases on tuesday

geoff

[Allan_L]

follow the link in my post above, and then the link I copied from AstralTraveller's quoted post.
there is the bunkhouse and three camping areas.

[GTB_an_Owl]

ok - i was looking at "The Pines" - "The Barracks" is down the road a bit and looks to have more space

google maps says about 4 3/4 from terrigal

geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

the pines and the brackens cottage (disregard "barracks' tag)




geoff

[Arthur Alchin]

This has become a rather convoluted week for me with a trip to wagga on Wednesday and return thursday and a daughters partner whose father is dying in England so will have to be their airport taxi on the morning they get their flight. Hope you have a great week wherever you end up, will try the pong club myself next Saturday.

This has been a very difficult year for me to get time off to go camping will you all (your all great) hopefully that will change in the near future

[jakob]

Are we talking about the Pines Campground?
Fires permitted BYO wood or collect but no generators and chainsaws?
Otherwise looks OK.
I'll keep searching.

[GTB_an_Owl]

i was thinking "Brackens Cottage" Jacob

more room

geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

just a thought

if we wanted to use the "Bracken Cottage" area - would we have to book the cottage ?

geoff

[jakob]

Don't think so, from the pics its a campground.
It shows also a small Caravan and lists Car parking available.

I may go to investigate, will make decision in the morning.

[Inmykombi]

Is there nough room in the cabins for everyone ? I estimate around 9 people.
I have one possibly two mates coming. Chris from Bateau Bay with 12 inch scope . And Maybe Steve as well.
Is an alternative a close camping area for all or just a cabin for all ?

[Allan_L]

cottage is a FLAT $30 per night, with 5 beds but no mattresses).

http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/coolah-tops-national-park/brackens-cottage/accommodation

There are three campgrounds, but there seems to be plenty of open space around the cottage.

[Inmykombi]

Does that mean we can camp around the cottage ?

[Allan_L]

I will ring

when are you planning on being there?

cottage is $35 per night, tank water, pit toilets, no shower.
yes camping is allowed around it.
waiting confirmation of availability

[Inmykombi]

I will leave Wednesday morning, what's everyone else doing ?

[Allan_L]

Looks like rain EVERYWHERE on Tuesday.

Compare the weather for

1 Bretti
2 Chaffey
3 Coolah Tops
4 Mudgee
5 Coonabarabran
6 The Pony Club
7 Lostock


Wednesday morning is my suggested starting date too.
Just don't know where to go is best?

[Inmykombi]

When are we leaving ? Are we meeting somewhere?

[Allan_L]

Coolah Tops is probably a no go.
Road was badly cut up in rain last week.
Probably not able to get a motorhome up there (steep).

Spoke to ranger, she said the cabin is available from Weds to Sat ($35/night).
Camping is allowed around the cottage as long as you book the cottage.

But as it is about 10k dirt road, if it rains again it could be unusable for 2WD vehicles.

[Inmykombi]

I might just go to Bretti and suffer whatever weather it dishes out. It sounds too difficult elsewhere.
What does everyone else think ?

[Allan_L]

I am starting to think this way also.
At this point, it is Bretti or Chaffey.
But I am happy to go with the majority.

[GTB_an_Owl]

in light of the road report (and further rain tuesday) for Coolah i guess it is Bretti

will just have to put up with a bit of dew i suppose

i should be ready to leave wednesday

geoff

[Inmykombi]

My vote is Bretti. Easy access even if it rains. Bring the gummies and let's hope for the best.

[Inmykombi]

There is another thread started by Glen about Chaffey.
Which would be better ? Bretti or Chaffey ?

Thread title....

Lake Chaffey Alternate Venue August New Moon (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=125188)

[jakob]

I'm on my way to bretti.
Allan, thx for info on road to coola tops.

Hope to see some of you soon!

[Inmykombi]

Bretti it is then. Thx Alan .

[gmbfilter]

Bretti
I'll be leaving Wednesday morning

[Inmykombi]

Three Geoff's together again. ( 3 Amigos or 3 Stooges ? )
I am looking forward to a break from work no matter what the weather throws at us.
Good company, an Ale or two and camp cooking will do me just nicely.:D

[Rick Petrie]

If you guys are on cb radio...I guess you could also say you are on a '3g' network.:lol:
Sorry I can't be there this time so all that go...hope the skies are clear for you.:thumbsup:

[Inmykombi]

Thx Rick.
Next time mate.
Looks like I will be leaving Wed Morning too. ETA for Gloucester at 8.30 am for supplies. then onto Bretti.
The quicker I get out of Mobile Phone range the better....:P

[GTB_an_Owl]

who is going to colimate my scope Rick! :shrug: :question: :sadeyes:

you have to come with us!

geoff

[Rick Petrie]

If you guys were at Chaffey, I could have nicked down from Manilla to do that Geoff, but Bretti is a bit far.:shrug:

[Inmykombi]

I'll bring my colimating hammer and chisel Geoff.

[GTB_an_Owl]

make sure it is the BIG hammer geoff

geoff

[Inmykombi]

Geoff, Do you have a Collimating tool ? I am Rick's apprentice colimater, and I only charge half as much.:P
I will do it for you.

[GTB_an_Owl]

yes geoff

i have all i need to do the job

geoff

[Inmykombi]

I am trying to get away today ( Tuesday ) as I have finished my jobs for the day.
If I get packed before midday, I will leave and have enough time to set up before dark.

See you all there.

[Allan]

Don't forget to pack your boat Geoff.:D

[GTB_an_Owl]

and your PILLOW

geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

and don't drink all jacobs good port before we get there

geoff

[Arthur Alchin]

If all goes well will try and get up there friday .