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roughy
23-03-2013, 11:09 AM
Hi all
Am investigating fast newtonians as a possibility in the year ahead. Does anyone have experience with the Boren-Simon Powernewt design? They have a four element corrector and come in at prices that are very competitive with other brands with a corrector.
Cheers
Mark

astroboy
23-03-2013, 11:21 AM
Hi Mark
My understanding is its just a GSO with a Keller corrector .

Zane

clive milne
23-03-2013, 11:59 AM
I certainly do not think that they are price competitive,
nor do I think that the information posted on their web page accurately reflects the performance you could expect in reality.

ie) specifically the statement made in the Q&A section:

Q: I have a 6" F/5 Newtonian - How faster is the 2.8-8 ED POWERNEWT Astrograph?
A: The calculation is: (F5/F2.8)^2=3.2, meaning that instead of 3.2 hrs of exposure with your F/5 scope, you will now need only 1hr. Furthermore the 8" aperture (in comparison to 6") will give you far better resolution (read: details !!) in any DSO you'll image.

They either don't understand that focal length (and not aperture) defines resolution (in prime focus CCD images)
or they are being dishonest.

5ash
23-03-2013, 04:26 PM
I thought aperture decided resolution , not focal length. Focal length only decides the size of the image at prime focus. I'm sure they haven't spent all these years developing telescopes with bigger aperture just to get brighter objects without increased resolution??:screwy::confused2::P
Philip

clive milne
23-03-2013, 06:16 PM
Mate,
They are taking the piss,
The resolution of the powernewt (or should that be gso-keller-newt) is not diffraction limited. The airy disk (and first diffraction ring) is simply too small to effect the spatial resolution achievable with any CCD in existence at f2.8. When you include pixel charge diffusion and the Seidel aberrations inherent in the design there is no way on Earth that the PSF is defined by the aperture of any of the instruments they sell.

... period ...

God I miss Bratislav... :(

5ash
23-03-2013, 08:00 PM
I stand corrected , thanks for clarifying
Regards philip

Tandum
24-03-2013, 03:12 AM
I don't know of any 10" or 12" CF GSO scopes. If they where around you'd think Astro Tech would be flogging them. However, the fittings on the steel tube scopes look like GSO. They quote a badder 2" focuser for the CF tube scopes so that makes for an ASA 2" .73 reducer/corrector which seems to work out to F2.93 not F2.8 from an F4 scope. If it is a 2" asa corrector, it would be at least US$1K on it's own and no good for big sensored cameras. You got me ?

I just wacked a 3" keller in a 12" gso here and it seems to work ok. A new focuser at the right price would be nice though.

Tandum
24-03-2013, 03:31 AM
Clive, I didn't understand one bit of this. Ignorance is bliss :)