Beginners - SOMEONE grab this Dob Bargain!!!! NOW

[Screwdriverone]

Hey Beginners, (or old hands)

I noticed that PlanetMan is selling his Saxon (same as Skywatcher) 8" collapsible dobsonian.

Almost MINT condition for an excellent, portable, versatile beginner to intermediate telescope.

WHY isn't anyone buying this? It is an absolute STEAL at $250.....:eyepop:

If I had the money (which I don't :sadeyes:) this would be in my house faster than you could blink.....

SOMEBODY buy it before I mortgage one of my kids to snap it up.

It's here http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=102385

If you are wanting to start in Astronomy, do yourself a favour and buy this scope NOW.

(I have no affiliation with the seller or Saxon, just want to see this temptation sold before I do something which may get me divorced....)

Cheers

Chris

[LAW]

Haha, I've been looking up shipping prices all morning :P

It's a deal, it's a steal...

[Meru]

Agreed Chris, thats a DAMN cheap dob... whoever gets it will be a very lucky camper :)

[mill]

Well someone wanted to buy it before it was advertised as (pickup only) and got the cold shoulder.
He even wanted to pay for shipping etc.
Selling/buying articles here is getting harder and harder.
There is no gentleman agreement anymore for some sellers/buyers.
I know this post will be deleted very fast but i find it very un salesman like to change an ad as soon as it gets too hard to send the article.

[Profiler]

From general experience I have always found that there is typically two sides to every story and it is a shame that some are so quick to publicly malign others without hearing both sides and version of events.

However, I do agree it is not always easy to buy things - I have had one experience in particular where an IIS member agreed to sell me an EP and then simply reneg - however - I didn't vent my spleen over it but simply notched it up to experience.

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Spot on Profiler , I think that this scope will be over OZ posts size and weight limits , so it will have to be couriered , shame that .
Awsome scope for this price tho .
Brian.

[mill]

In the original ad it didn't say pickup only.
Then when the price came down all of a sudden it was too much work to pack the scope and get bubble wrap.
The buyer wanted to pay for everything and the seller could have included packaging.
I was not the buyer but the buyer was just venting his frustration after the seller changed his mind and the post was deleted :shrug:
If we cant even say anything to warn other buyers of some of these transactions then how can we keep safely sell/buy here?
You could have posted a small warning about the reneg here so everyone else would know about it.
It is the only way to keep people honest.
I know this doesn't happen very often? Or we don't hear about it most of the times?

[Screwdriverone]

Its a shame it has been withdrawn. I almost snapped it up on principal.

I still might, if PlanetMan wants to sell it to me, I will pick it up easily from where I live.

It would be a great grab and go visual scope for me or my kids while I image with the 8" on the HEQ5

Planet Man? What say you?

Chris

[Profiler]

Only depends on how accurate and balanced is this supposedly well intentioned 'warning'. As I said before - two sides to every story and two wrongs don't make a right.

[brian nordstrom]

:) I hear what you are saying , its a big job packaging up a scope of this size , even small ones take time if the origonal boxes are lost/destroyed its even harder .
Its very frustrating when someone renegs on a deal 1/2 way thru , its happened to me more than once but thats the nature of this beast I'm afraid , you win some , you loose some .:shrug: .
Brian.

[Profiler]

Ditto Brian - I am not too sure things are so black and white

[Larryp]

I just sold my 102mm NG refractor, which had to be shipped interstate. I still had the original carton, but Pack & Send will pack it for you if you don't have the carton. Easy to do-just book online and pay with card

[Profiler]

Sounds like you have plenty of spare time:)

[Larryp]

Took me all of 30 minutes to pack it, book it and they picked it up from my house.

[brian nordstrom]

;) That all and good Laurie , but it all adds up to the total cost of shipping , that the buyer has to absorb and when Andrews and Bintel at times will ship free on a brand new scope ? you have to weigh it all up .

Good luck Chris , its still a bargain in any terms .

Profiler yes , its a job that has to be done right , or grief will happen ...

Brian.

[Larryp]

Cost of freight is fairly reasonable IMHO, Brian. And a used scope including freight cost is still significantly cheaper than buying new, even if new freight is free.:)

[brian nordstrom]

:D sure is Laurie .
But some people like to get new gear .
Brian.

[Larryp]

That's what I do, Brian! Then I lose a heap when I sell it! LOL:lol:

[Ausrock]

You're right, there are two sides to a story but Mill is essentially correct in his comments and as such, is not maligning anyone.

The item was offered for sale..........the price was subsequently reduced (considerably)..........someone said they'd take it and as was evident in now deleted posts, the offer to buy was accepted...........that offer was later rejected and seller's posts were edited and (at the seller's request) other posts were deleted. Is it a "wise" way to "do business".........probably not, but that is up to the individual seller.

For the record, I contacted the prospective buyer and the seller offering to buy the 'scope and then arrange to have it shipped........the buyer had the courtesy to respond........the seller didn't :rolleyes:.

[BlackWidow]

Few comments about shipping so I thought I would share my thoughts. If you wish to move a telescope from one state to another, use Greyhound Bus. They have a door to door service at very good prices and handle all goods by hand. I purchased my LX200GPS from NSW and had it shipped to me in Adelaide for $100. That was the full kit with tripod, and as we all know a very large and heavy item. I now use them for moving large items and recently sold a very large Malibu Surfboard and sent it to Perth to a collector. I have also sent a full outdoor setting via Bus... Greyhound Freight are Great! ... Wow I think I just found them a new slogan

[Profiler]

Fascinating assessment:

1) "Mill is essentially correct" - Naturally I assume this comment is based on having received both version of events before rendering this adjudication

2) "and as such, is not maligning anyone" - The validity of this statement is dependent on the validity of point 1

3) "The item was offered for sale..........the price was subsequently reduced (considerably)..........someone said they'd take it and as was evident in now deleted posts, the offer to buy was accepted...........that offer was later rejected and seller's posts were edited and (at the seller's request) other posts were deleted. Is it a "wise" way to "do -

Yep - this certainly sounds like only one side of the story.

As I highlighted in my previous posts:

1) There is always two sides to every story

2) Two wrongs don't make a right

3) It appears folks are quick to draw conclusions and perhaps disparage even though they apparently don't have both sides of the story (for whatever reason)

4) Reneg deals do occur on IIS - I had one disappointing experience over an EP however I didn't vent my spleen over it. Renegged deals probably occur more often than we care to admit going by the euphemistic relisting of items put 'back-up' for sale by sellers where a "buyer had to pull out of deal for genuine reason".

5) Finally, my new comment - I wasn't aware there is some law or rule that members are obligated to respond to every received message.:)

[Ausrock]

This is getting silly but if that's the way you want to play, then so be it



Fascinating? I'll leave that alone:rolleyes:



I said "essentially" NOT definitively or absolutely.



Pray tell, EXACTLY how (in your not so humble opinion) was anyone really maligned. There was no name calling or abuse, just a relatively factual statement based on what was evident at the time.



Two things..........1) I've added back in (in italics) what you chose to edit out. 2) It's not "one side of the story", it's the way the thread progressed prior to deletions and edits............if the reasons for deletions and edits are not made known/visible to people following the thread, then it's only to be expected that further comments are going to be based solely on what "knowledge" is available.

I hadn't bothered to mention it before as it is kind of irrelavent, but I had been watching the thread closely from it's inception with the view to purchasing the 'scope for my son, to the point that I had arranged for a mate in Sydney to pick it up should I have bought it......this was before either Niko said he'd buy it or the seller (subsequenly) altered his conditions of sale. My hesitations were based on me prioritising my astro needs, the reality being that I should continue setting up and learning to use my own rig before bringing another 'scope into the house. When it appeared obvious that Niko and the seller had an agreement, it sealed my decision not to buy the 'scope no matter how good a deal it may have been.



I thought I'd already agreed with you on that point.



?



As a generalisation this is probably true but to be fair, we should not apply it "blanket like" in every situation.



I get your point. Some time ago I purchased an item here from someone who appeared to be an "ideal" IIS member. Due to lousy weather it was some weeks before I got the chance to use it and when I did, I found it was missing "crucial" components that have made the item almost unusable. When "challenged" about the issue the reply was "well, that's how I purchased it". Was he right in not mentioning it in his FS thread? Was I right in not "venting my spleen" about it?.............who knows? What I do believe is that there is, regardless of any forum rules, etc., an ethical and wise way to do business and one essential key to this is good, open and honest communications from start to finish from all concerned, regardless of the circumstances. If this philosophy had been followed in this specific instance I doubt we'd be having this discussion now :). Also, this probably addresses your last "quote" ;)



I have no real problem with someone changing their mind, but damn, it can save a lot of ensuing "chatter" and misunderstanding if they're totally "up front" and communicative about about their decision rather than hiding behind editing and deletions. Anyways, I'm out of it from now on.

Cheers :)

[Profiler]

Once again an absolutely fascinating assessment of the issues.

Unfortunately, you don't actually answer the most important and pivotal issue - did you obtain both sides of the story before rendering your analysis and posting your sagacious comments?

The answer is either - Yes or No.;)

We already know the answer to this question because you needed to criticise the seller for committing that most heinous and unforgivable crime - not responding to your PM.

The only "misunderstandings", "hiding" and "not upfront" "chatter" comes from "silly" ill-informed individuals who are quick to pronounce judgement of others and need to make comments upon them without knowing both sides of the story.

[Ausrock]

Don't you have something better to do than carry on like this?

Goodbye!

[Profiler]

Amazing - you previously stated "I'm out of it from now on."

Why not instead just answer the previous simple question - Your answer can only either be: Yes or NO;)


Acknowledgement of error is the true sign of humility - not indignation.

[Kunama]

Does this still apply?
IceTrade Etiquette:

Your item should be sold on a first-in-first-served basis. That can include first to reply or first PM with stated intention to buy.

[niko]

Apparently me stating:

"I'll take it"

wasn't a clear enough intention to buy

:-(

[PlanetMan]

Matt

Thank you for pointing out this issue as I seem to recall that Niko was the third potential buyer to contact me.

[FlashDrive]

Boy ....this one got out of hand ..!!
Stay out of it Flash ...there's too many of them ..!! :evil2:

Flash ..!!

[brian nordstrom]

:screwy: Brian ,,,,, you too .
NO! .
Brian.