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Old 10-04-2006, 07:25 PM
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southern hemisphere equivalent messier list

I'd like to have a list of bright objects that can be seen from the southern hemisphere with a relatively small aperture scope. 100 or so objects would be ideal.

Does such a lsit exist?
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Old 10-04-2006, 07:43 PM
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Hi Yagon

Probably the most well know of the southern catalogs is "The Jack Bennett Catalog" or google Jack Bennett Catalog.

http://www.seds.org/messier/xtra/similar/bennett.html

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Old 10-04-2006, 07:48 PM
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Hi,

There are several informal lists around. The following two are respectively binocular and telescope lists:

http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclu.../ssbinoc2.html
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclu...y/sskylist.htm

NSW amateur Glen Cozens has compiled the following list which has a mixture of Southern and Northern Hemisphere objects, some of which admittedly won't be visible from our latitude.

http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/messier/...ar/cozens.html

In their book, "Hartung's Astronomical Objects for Southern Telescopes", David Malin and David Frew listed a "southern extension to the Messier Catalogue". A great book to have as a reference.

Enjoy!

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Old 10-04-2006, 08:03 PM
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I'll second Greg's recommendation of Hartung. This is the best book for southern observers, bar none (IMHO). It has everything from hundreds of double stars, to the big, bright DSOs, to dozens of objects in the Magellanic Clouds, and open clusters, globulars and galaxies galore. Over 1100, I think, arranged by RA. And the introductory chapters contain fantastically useful information that is also interestingly presented. It's the only astro book I know of that you can read in bed.
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Old 10-04-2006, 08:07 PM
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Got to admit that my most used book is Hartung's.

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Old 11-04-2006, 02:59 AM
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Thanks for the links GREG,
As a Keen Binocular observer,They are Very Handy.

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Old 11-04-2006, 03:29 AM
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There's also something called Lacaille's list, and the Dunlop 100 too. (I don't know of any links, but I've got them on Excel spread sheets somewhere.) There is a large amount of overlap with these and other lists, though.
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Old 11-04-2006, 07:00 AM
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I agree that Hartung's is a good place to start. In fact, I liked it so much, I have just finished transferring the information (NGC, Constellation, RA, Dec, Mag etc) contained in the book and table into a spreadsheet. I started just after Christmas, but with the weather so far, I have had a fair bit of timeon my hands. After some final tidying up, I have put a copy onto my iPaq. That way I can refer to the sheet outside to pick something to look at and GoTo it. The problem with a GoTo is you have a huge list of things to look at, but it is difficult to determine if you will actually see anything. I have also added a sheet that contains the "gems" for showing visitors.

As I get my magazines each month, I also add objects to the list and update the spreadsheet in the iPaq.
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Old 11-04-2006, 07:17 AM
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Another vote for Hartungs here, my copy is so dog eared that it looks like I use it for a door mat!!
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With Pictures?

Is there a list, book, website, etc that also has pictures of some of the objects?
I have never attempted anything to do with deep objects so a list that might have an entry such as 'spiral galaxy edge on' still doesn't give me enough info to know which one I might want to attempt to photograph in order to see it.
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Well, there's TUMOL (Google it), which is in Filemaker. I'm not sure if there is some equivalent for non-Messier objects (apart from the one that I made myself: about 220 objects < Dec +40).
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:41 PM
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Is there a list, book, website, etc that also has pictures of some of the objects?
Hartung's NewMoon, The Southern Astronomers Bible.
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Lacaille Dunlop NGC IC

Here is a VERY late addition to this thread.

Lacaille's catalogue can be found at:
http://www.seds.org/messier/xtra/history/lacaille.html

The Dunlop 100 can be found at:
http://www.seds.org/messier/xtra/similar/dunlop100.html

The original Dunlop catalogue is at:
http://www.ngcic.org/Historical_Record/default.htm

The NGC catalogue with the name of the person who discovered each object is at:
http://www.ngcic.org/public_HCNGC/HCNGC.htm

For both the NGC & IC catalogues try.
http://www.ngcic.org/steinicke/default.htm

For images of all NGC objects try:
http://www.ngcic.org/dss/dss_ngc.asp

I use a catalogue of 300 M NGC & IC objects .
100 Clusters
100 Nebulae
100 Galaxies

Let me know if you want a copy.
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Old 13-08-2006, 05:07 PM
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Hartung or the briefer Bennets catologue
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I just added the Hartung catalogue to my Skymap program, WOW look at all those objects, should keep me entertained for well beyond my expiry date.
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Use a mix and match of everything quoted so far and you have enough to keep you going for a long long time. I also like Hartung, followed by Burnham.

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The July issue of "Astronomy" magazine has a 6 page article entitled "A Southern-sky Messier Catalog". It has the complete Bennet catalog listed along with some pictures. Great reading and just down your alley!
I bought my issue only the other day, so it should still be on the shelves of most LARGE newsagents.

You can probably borrow Hartungs from your local library. You may have to order it in.
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Bennet and Hartung

Another source for the Bennett Catalogue is:
http://www.astrosurf.com/antilhue/Bennett.htm
There are some great images there.

The Bennett Catalogue was made during his searches for comets.
There are 152 objects in it: 24 open clusters, 69 globular clusters, only 4 nebulae, 9 planetary nebulae and 46 galaxies. Bright open clusters were not included as they are not comet like. The most northerly object is M77 (dec 0) and the catalogue includes 27 Messier objects.

Hartung is a large catalogue.
There are 574 deep-sky objects in it including 111 open clusters, 120 globular clusters, 57 nebulae, 109 planetary nebulae and 169 galaxies. (96 of these are Messier objects). It also contains 6 dark nebulae, over 500 double stars and 25 variables.

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Old 18-08-2006, 06:13 AM
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I use a catalogue of 300 M NGC & IC objects .
100 Clusters
100 Nebulae
100 Galaxies

Let me know if you want a copy.
I'd love a copy, if that's OK

I'm also new at astronomer, and would like to know what people's favourite DSOs are. I'll start a new thread.
I'll put it in Observational Astronomy.

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Old 20-08-2006, 12:59 AM
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35 Objects

I had a look at 6 southern lists to see which objects were the most popular. http://www.seds.org/messier/xtra/similar/similar.html

1. Lacaille's "Catalog of Nebulae of the Southern Sky" 1751-2
2. James Dunlop's Catalog of southern Deep Sky Objects. 1826
3. The Jack Bennett Catalog of Southern Deep-Sky Objects
4. John Caldwell's Best Sky Objects from SAAO Latitude. (South Africa)
5. 110 Deep-Sky High Lights
6. Hartung (2nd ed) southern extension to the Messier Catalogue, p416.

I did not include Messier objects from the catalogues.
The 35 NGC objects below were in 4 or more of the above 6 lists.

NGCs 55 104 253 300 362 1291 1316 1851 2070 2477
2516 2547 2808 3114 3201 3242 3293 3372 3532 3766
4755 4833 4945 5128 5139 6025 6231 6388 6397 6541
6744 6752 7009 7293 7793

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