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Old 16-01-2012, 01:22 AM
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Tracking in R.A. with threaded rod / Disk

The three years ago, I imagined this device for traction of equatorial mounts. Its operation mimics a large worm gear. During all this time I have used the device and its operation is very good, and its very low periodic error:
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Old 16-01-2012, 02:24 AM
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This looks really nice , wondering does the threaded rod cut into the steel tape over time or do you use special tape already threaded?

Do you think it would be possible to use a softer material instead of steel to reduce vibration noise from the stepper motor ( like a teflon or hard plastic based material that is strong but soft). It could embed easily with tight tolerances.

I am interested in this method for my new wedge mount.
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Old 16-01-2012, 05:35 AM
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The steel tape is like smooth. In the absence of a better, you can use two hacksaw blades.
The threaded rod must be of good steel ( stainless steel ), to give good accuracy.
The coupling between the motor and threaded rod, I do through a piece of polyurethane (red in the drawing). The engine vibration, the best way is to mount a motor driver that works in microsteps.
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Old 16-01-2012, 05:48 AM
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I see now, thanks for the info, It is not what as I expected but as it works then there is no problem. I can understand the need for stainless steel.

I think this is a similar concept to steel wire idea - found on large DOB's I was considering earlier this week and may work the same.
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Old 16-01-2012, 08:57 AM
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Malcolm, I might be wrong but I don't think the threaded rod contacts the steel tape. The rod turns inside the two nuts and that moves the carriage along, and the friction between the two pieces of steel tape drives the axis.

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Old 16-01-2012, 10:43 AM
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I made a sequence of three drawings showing the operation of the device.
The same works for traction and not by friction. The steel tape is pulled by doing so the disk spins. Thus there is no slippage, and while the device is well adjusted, the operation is very good.
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Old 16-01-2012, 11:22 AM
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I built a similar device about 18 years ago to drive an equatorial mount ( I never actually fitted it to the mount because I got a loan repaid and bought a LX200). The mount was made from parts salvaged from a land cruiser diff.

I used a cheap 3/8" threaded rod and the shuttle was made with two nuts welded to a piece of steel. I made thrust races for the rod (I have a lathe) and used a stepper motor salvaged from a HDD. I used a length of bowden cable in lieu of the steel tape running over a couple of pulleys at the ends of the worm assembly. I made drawings in ACAD at the time but I can't find them now. I actually made two devices one for the RA and one for the Dec. The actual cost for the project was $20 for the diff and a couple of $'s for the threaded rod. everything else was scrap.

I also wrote a program in Qbasic to drive the stepper motors and circuit board. (that's the only thing I have left of the project) with star and solar system objects, a two star alignment a facility and goto.

I had the whole drive mechanics operating on the bench but never actually used it. I was very interested to hear some one actually got one to work.

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Old 16-01-2012, 11:47 AM
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I just found the ACAD drawings EQMOUNT.DWG
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Old 16-01-2012, 01:17 PM
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Malcolm, I might be wrong but I don't think the threaded rod contacts the steel tape. The rod turns inside the two nuts and that moves the carriage along, and the friction between the two pieces of steel tape drives the axis.

Adam
Hi Adam,

I managed to figure it out, there is 2 steel tapes one is connected to one side of the radius and the other connected to the other side on the wood. The other steel tape is connected in the reverse. It is quite ingenious actually as it would reduce noise transferred from the motor more than direct gears.

The piano wire method is only similar in concept, still may work though but I like the steel tape idea. You adjust the thickness of the steel tape depending on the weight you wish to load on the system.
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Old 16-01-2012, 01:21 PM
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I just found the ACAD drawings EQMOUNT.DWG
That is the solutions to 360 rotation in this, good one Barry.
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Old 17-01-2012, 02:33 AM
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A very good idea. A friend of mine used something similar :
https://sites.google.com/a/astronomo...lesc%C3%B3pio2
One of the problems I see and also have in my project, is that if you want 360 degrees of rotation, the size of the threaded rod is very large (ie worse in my project). Anyway, in both projects, you can make 360 degrees, leave the size of the threade rod compatible with the size of the circumference of the disc
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