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Old 15-05-2008, 12:22 AM
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40D or 450D this is the question

I'm going to buy a new camera, my G5 canon is obselete and won't connect to the scope.

I've found I can get either a 40D or 450D with only about $100 in price difference between them for body only.

I would have thought the 40D is the obvious choice. Is there any reason that I don't see, that I should buy the 450D instead?
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Old 15-05-2008, 01:16 AM
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see http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=31654
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Old 15-05-2008, 02:09 AM
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Cheers Ian,
I did read most of that when it was happening but there is still no solid reason to buy a 40D over a 450D. It seems they are prettty equal, hence the $100 price difference.

450D body is under the customs gst limit of $1000, the 40D body isn't ????
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Old 15-05-2008, 06:25 AM
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Hi,

By way of example I have a T41 laptop, it has a titanium case and has been solid as a rock; being outside in the dew it probably will outlast my Toshiba lappie which stays at home all day.

The 40D is heavier than the 450D which may be a consideration but the build quality is far superior and includes a degree of weatherproofing which the 450D doesnt have. It is also far more rugged.

If there is only a 100 buck choice between the two I would go the 40D, for this reason alone and maybe also for future possible resale value.

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Old 15-05-2008, 06:41 AM
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Something else to consider is, do Canon implement software capability and camera functionality differently between the 2 models? That is, can the 40D be customised more so than the 450D? Is the EOS Utility software more functionally rich with the 40D than the 450D? Does the 40D have a greater range of functions and operational capability that the 450D?

When operating at a telescope, if there are any differences in favour of the 40D, then you may find the $100 will be well spent if it delivers flexibility and easier operations.

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Old 15-05-2008, 06:52 AM
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The 40D also has a much more robust shutter rated for many more actuations than the standard 450D shutter. If weight is a consideration then you may be better with the 450D. If I were buying the 40D would be my choice despite the slightly lower resolution.
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Old 16-05-2008, 01:00 PM
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Thanks guys. The minister for war and finance got involved and she wants a lens on the camera so I've ordered a 450D kit. The 40D kit was about $500 more.
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The 450D has a 12 mp sensor, the 40D only 10 I believe. The 450D is also VERY lightweight.
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Old 17-05-2008, 07:26 PM
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There's only 265grams between them, so weight is not really significant however the 40D has a far better build quality. I have the feeling I should have done the 40D with a seperate dirt cheap lens to keep the misses happy. To late now, I'm sure the 450D will do far more than I need anyway.
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There's only 265grams between them, so weight is not really significant however the 40D has a far better build quality. I have the feeling I should have done the 40D with a seperate dirt cheap lens to keep the misses happy. To late now, I'm sure the 450D will do far more than I need anyway.
You wont be disappointed with the 450D, I assure you.

It is a great camera and the best part about it is that it has 12.2 megapixels!

Enjoy.
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Old 17-05-2008, 10:18 PM
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Congratulations Tandum on your new purchase, I'm sure you'll be happy with the 450D as are others on the forum.

Personally though I would choose the 40D if I had a choice.
People tend to look at megapixel count but don't realise that squeezing more pixels onto the same area increases noise especially for astro work.
12MP vs 10 MP won't produce significant increase in detail but will affect noise especially at higher ISO settings.

The weight factor too is not an issue IMO between the two models for astro work. If your mount isn't upto carrying the 40D with any associated lens' and filters etc, then putting a 450D will have it operating too close to it's threshold anyway.

If you have a sturdy enough mount, having the better build quality of the 40D will assist in dampening mirror slap and on those windy nights give the camera better stability. Of course this is only a minor point but one that should be considered if the difference in body only price is small.

The final point is that, IMO, the 40D is a better camera to hold and handle for terrestrial shooting too.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't knock back a 450D if that was what my budget allowed when buying a new camera especially since it has live view, but I wouldn't go out to replace my old 20D with a new 450D simply because of megapixel count.
If on the other hand I was contemplating replacing the 20D then the 40D would certainly entice me to do so over the 450D if the body only price was not too dissimilar.
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I would have prefered to go for the 40D but once she found out what was happenning, and realised it was unable to take photos of the cat, it was on. There was no way to explain the difference between a body and a lens.

I had sourced the 40D at $1109.20 + $9.75 postage ex melbourne and $930.51 + $9.75 postage for the 450D. Damn cheap, but warranty claims need the camera to be sent to NZ. No biggy for me.

With a lens it turned into $1524 or $1033, guess which one won.
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I would have prefered to go for the 40D but once she found out what was happenning, and realised it was unable to take photos of the cat, it was on. There was no way to explain the difference between a body and a lens.
Totally understand Robin.

Basically just wanted to post the info in case anyone else was in a similar situation and trying to decide which way to go.

You guys are certainly lucky with today's prices and features of DSLR's.

I remember how much a new 10D or even 300D cost when first released (and these were the ant's pants DSLRs for astro photography back then).

So enjoy and I look forward to your images.

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I would have prefered to go for the 40D but once she found out what was happenning, and realised it was unable to take photos of the cat, it was on. There was no way to explain the difference between a body and a lens.

I had sourced the 40D at $1109.20 + $9.75 postage ex melbourne and $930.51 + $9.75 postage for the 450D. Damn cheap, but warranty claims need the camera to be sent to NZ. No biggy for me.

With a lens it turned into $1524 or $1033, guess which one won.
robin.

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That'll teach ya .... gotta be sneekier than that to get the gear.

Why couldn't she use it to take happy snaps of puss ??
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no one ever points to one of these canons :-
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Old 18-05-2008, 01:18 AM
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These had certain issues with AF (which have been ironed out now via firmware updates).
I'd be scared spending that sort of money knowing there are issues with that model.
The 40D gives you 6.5 fps raw so it's no slouch behind the 1D MkIII's 10fps and for the money you save you could buy the wife a nice little diamond ring.

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You do realise that this is a hobby. No hobbyist can afford real cameras, they cost thousands of dollars. But seeing you went there (Diamond Rings), on my last thailand trip, I bought a ruby ring using CCC, Cut, Clarity, Colour. $1800 there, $4500 here was the valuation.
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Old 18-05-2008, 02:22 AM
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You do realise that this is a hobby. No hobbyist can afford real cameras, they cost thousands of dollars. But seeing you went there (Diamond Rings), on my last thailand trip, I bought a ruby ring using CCC, Cut, Clarity, Colour. $1800 there, $4500 here was the valuation.
LOL this is not a hobby it's serious stuff, we're all striving for the perfect image.......

Speaking of image, it's the 4 C's, the last one being carat weight.
And you did well scoring a ring like that.
Bet she was happy.

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