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Old 23-09-2017, 05:56 PM
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Helix faintest details (a couple dozen photons/hr) 72 hrs

We suspect this really might be (warts and all) the world's deepest plausibly amateur Helix in H-alpha.

Full sized image here (2.2MB)

A three-panel (highly overlapping) mosaic, with at least 24 hours exposure, 2x2 binned, at each pixel, with a 20" PlaneWave CDK. Most of the image has 72 hours of exposure.

We've roughly doubled the exposure since last time. The Western chevrons are much less noisy now, and much sharper. We've added a sliver of extra real estate at the far right, where there is now a new, somewhat wriggly radial smudge heading off toward four o'clock.

The faintest details that are clearly and unambiguously recognizable in this radial smudge (where the exposure is 24 hours), are about 16 ADU above their immediate environment, which translates to 24 photo-electrons (48 photons) per one hour sub. There are other more ambiguous features surrounding it, which are visible in the Galex image.

The bright centre is overlain with 4 hrs of unbinned H-alpha. The blending of the two images has produced some artificially darker regions at the interface, but this does not affect the faint outer details.

We think we'll put our pen down now.

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Old 23-09-2017, 06:15 PM
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Well I was planning on having a crack at the Helix when I get my new scope up and running, but I don't think I'll bother now having seen this one!

More seriously, that's a very impressive effort there guys; certainly setting the benchmark.

To be picky, there's a series of slightly diagonal lines visible on the left of the frame, I'm not sure if these are the result of blending in that unbinned data, but the image would be improved if you were able to clean that up. Anyway, that's not meant to detract from what is probably the deepest helix I've seen and will likely see for along time. Great job guys!
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Old 23-09-2017, 06:18 PM
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Sensor me if required but holy fooking crap , will ya look at that..the faint features revealed are so captivating...
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Old 23-09-2017, 06:38 PM
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Well I was planning on having a crack at the Helix when I get my new scope up and running, but I don't think I'll bother now having seen this one!

More seriously, that's a very impressive effort there guys; certainly setting the benchmark.

To be picky, there's a series of slightly diagonal lines visible on the left of the frame, I'm not sure if these are the result of blending in that unbinned data, but the image would be improved if you were able to clean that up. Anyway, that's not meant to detract from what is probably the deepest helix I've seen and will likely see for along time. Great job guys!
Thanks Lee. We're sure your take will be very different. The diagonal lines are in the 2x2 version, so not related to blending. They're going to be due to integer roundoff somewhere along the way. They'll take a lot of tracking down.

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Sensor me if required but holy fooking crap , will ya look at that..the faint features revealed are so captivating...
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Thanks muchly, Mike. Thrilled that you like it too. It's nowhere near as 'pretty' as a less deep but more clean and contrasty version, yet those super-faint bits must be telling an interesting story about what's going on, if only we understood the language.

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Old 23-09-2017, 06:39 PM
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Now this is cooking with gas. I can see two chevrons to the right near the very bottom right that I have never seen in any images of this object. In fact I think they are the first time this has been imaged. I think you should image it just for another 20 hours to confirm the outlines of this outburst. I could be wrong but I think you might have made a further discovery just there.
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Old 23-09-2017, 06:42 PM
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Bar raised again. Absolutely awesome. Certainly will be the reference image for everyone here for some time.
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Old 23-09-2017, 06:50 PM
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Now this is cooking with gas. I can see two chevrons to the right near the very bottom right that I have never seen in any images of this object. In fact I think they are the first time this has been imaged. I think you should image it just for another 20 hours to confirm the outlines of this outburst. I could be wrong but I think you might have made a further discovery just there.
Many thanks Paul! Those shock fronts at the bottom right do look plausibly similar to the much larger number of clear ones at top left, so hopefully they are real.

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Bar raised again. Absolutely awesome. Certainly will be the reference image for everyone here for some time.
Cheers, Troy.

We tried adding our old OIII and SII data to the image, but it made a hideous mess, so best leave it monochrome.

Embarrassing kindergarten mathematical mistake now fixed. The 16 ADU are per 1 hour frame, not per 24 hours total exposure. Luckily the probable extra shock fronts Paul saw at bottom right are there regardless!
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Old 23-09-2017, 07:28 PM
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There are so many expletives to describe this!
So I am just going to throw in an

Seriously this is a benchmark image Mike & Trish, absolutely spectacular.
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yet those super-faint bits must be telling an interesting story about what's going on, if only we understood the language.
Sadly they don't tell a great deal. Depending on the overall dynamics they may represent either:
1) Slightly earlier pulse
2) Concussion shock wave
3) Just be plain boring fainter material haha
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Old 23-09-2017, 07:42 PM
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There are so many expletives to describe this!
So I am just going to throw in an

Seriously this is a benchmark image Mike & Trish, absolutely spectacular.
Thanks hugely, Colin!


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Depending on the overall dynamics they may represent either:
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2) Concussion shock wave
3) Just be plain boring fainter material
Told you it would be fascinating!
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Old 23-09-2017, 07:52 PM
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Absolutely insane! That is a tremendous image.

Excellent work, M&T.

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Old 23-09-2017, 09:37 PM
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This is so cool Mike. Very smooth. These chevrons look even fainter than I imagined. Love the image scale. A real tour de force overall. Kudos to you.
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Old 23-09-2017, 09:53 PM
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Pretty amazing stuff M&T! Detail I've never seen before.

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Old 23-09-2017, 09:54 PM
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Absolutely insane! That is a tremendous image.

Excellent work, M&T.

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Many thanks, Humayun. A nice simple galaxy shot should restore our sanity.


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This is so cool Mike. Very smooth. These chevrons look even fainter than I imagined. Love the image scale. A real tour de force overall. Kudos to you.
Thanks so much Marc. Your city lights image already shows some of that faint radial streak toward four o'clock.
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Old 23-09-2017, 10:32 PM
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Simply put: this is the new gold standard.

Even the pro’s have not bettered this.

Kudos indeed!
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Old 23-09-2017, 11:13 PM
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Hells bells, that’s really rather good!

Lovely work, so much faint detail coming out and those bow shocks over to the right are stunning.

Well done again.
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Pretty cool M&T, the deepest I've ever seen of the Helix and I've seen plenty across different web sites.
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Old 24-09-2017, 06:47 AM
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Simply put: this is the new gold standard.

Even the pro’s have not bettered this.

Kudos indeed!
Thanks Peter, we are greatly encouraged.

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Hells bells, that’s really rather good!

Lovely work, so much faint detail coming out and those bow shocks over to the right are stunning.

Well done again.
Many thanks Peter. We would not have thought to do the strip on the right if it weren't for gentle prodding from the group.

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Pretty cool M&T, the deepest I've ever seen of the Helix and I've seen plenty across different web sites.
Cheers, Bill, that's kind.

Oh, while we think of it, there is some SII in there, but it is ridiculously faint and uninspiring. No more Helix for us, at least for a day or two.

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Old 24-09-2017, 07:48 AM
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Fantastic work. Its always great to see new images that take the view further and further and break new ground.

A tremendous effort.

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Old 24-09-2017, 08:09 AM
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Hi Mike and Trish,
great work - new territory!
I hope you'll present it for an APOD?

cheers
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Old 24-09-2017, 01:08 PM
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I hope you'll present it for an APOD?
+1 Above - You MUST submit this to APOD, it's groundbreaking scientifically & aesthetically pleasing too - Benchmark image, deserving of all acclaim!
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