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Old 19-02-2018, 04:26 PM
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Spotlight on Jewels

I've been in the process of nailing down the collimation and orthogonality of my CCD camera (totally nailed it ...I now have pristine stars to the very edge of the 16803)

Anyway, I digress.... I figured, while I was there, rather than take just test shots, might as well take a proper picture of the Jewel Box. Fuzz ball seeing...but Meh...least it was clear.

The edge diffraction from Mimosa was a surprise! ...but I figured..looks cool...so might as well own it.

The end result is here
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Old 19-02-2018, 04:29 PM
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That's a BIG multi-coloured God Ray to the top left...
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Old 19-02-2018, 04:37 PM
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Quite a feat to get a corrected field at that FL over such a big sensor. Another one for the cool wall, Luftwaffe run and all.
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Old 19-02-2018, 04:37 PM
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That's a BIG multi-coloured God Ray to the top left...
You think?

I did gamma stretch it...well...just a little...
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Old 19-02-2018, 04:46 PM
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Well that's something new and different - looks great!

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Old 19-02-2018, 04:59 PM
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Fabulous photo! Am I right in saying that the Jewel Box is NGC 4755, not NGC 290 as stated on the link? Sorry for being a prat if I'm wrong.
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Very cool Peter!
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From a newbie perspective this image is a benchmark (aside from the unexpected diffraction...which is nice).

Very well done.
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Old 19-02-2018, 05:51 PM
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From a newbie perspective this image is a benchmark (aside from the unexpected diffraction...which is nice).

Very well done.
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Very cool Peter!
Thanks guys.

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Fabulous photo! Am I right in saying that the Jewel Box is NGC 4755, not NGC 290 as stated on the link? Sorry for being a prat if I'm wrong.
Thanks.... Also a lame error...you are indeed correct! The page data has been amended.

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Well that's something new and different - looks great!

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Ta Steve... Mimosa was just catching the edge of the baffle...just a few arc minutes repositioning caused the ray to disappear.

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Quite a feat to get a corrected field at that FL over such a big sensor. Another one for the cool wall, Luftwaffe run and all.
A shame it's not Eta Carina. Bombs away!
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Old 19-02-2018, 06:04 PM
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Nicely done. The Jewel Box is an elusive creature.

The rainbow flag is an interesting artefact. Getting the 16803 squared up is not a trivial exercise - care to share your procedure?

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Old 19-02-2018, 06:50 PM
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Indeed it does look kind of cool...My wifes favorite cluster to view.
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Old 19-02-2018, 06:53 PM
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Nicely done. The Jewel Box is an elusive creature.

The rainbow flag is an interesting artefact. Getting the 16803 squared up is not a trivial exercise - care to share your procedure?

Greg.
Thanks Greg,
As you know squaring on a 16803 can be a challenge.
1) If you have mechanical sag in the secondary or focuser this needs to be eradicated as you'll be chasing your tail until that is fixed. (fortunately the Alluna has none that I've been able to measure).

Collimate your telescope to the limits of your ability to get everything centred. I use a Takahashi Collimating scope with a M100 adapter made by Precise Parts.

Lock everything down, and re-check the collimation to make sure there has been no movement by torquing up the locking bolts

2) Calculate your focuser's step travel per step. (travel distance/ number of steps)

3) Use CCDinspector to get the orientation of the focal plane tilt.

4) The tilt in my system was along the X-axis. I focused at the bottom of the CCD, then again using the stars at the top edge. Looked at the step difference and got a number. From that got a distance.
Then I used some precision plastic shim stock (coloured so you can easily pick the right thickness) trimmed a small strip and placed it under the edge of the nosepiece that needed raising.

Took another test shot (or ten). Round stars to the edge.

Poured myself a single malt.


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Old 19-02-2018, 10:27 PM
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Lovely image Peter, great colours!
I particularly like the spotlight effect
Very Hollywood, lol
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Old 19-02-2018, 10:58 PM
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Oh man, can't help remembering those recreational drugs back in my uni days. Experimenting in the name of science. Peace brother.
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[QUOTE=Peter Ward;1358746]Thanks Greg,
As you know squaring on a 16803 can be a challenge.
1) If you have mechanical sag in the secondary or focuser this needs to be eradicated as you'll be chasing your tail until that is fixed. (fortunately the Alluna has none that I've been able to measure).

Collimate your telescope to the limits of your ability to get everything centred. I use a Takahashi Collimating scope with a M100 adapter made by Precise Parts.

Lock everything down, and re-check the collimation to make sure there has been no movement by torquing up the locking bolts

2) Calculate your focuser's step travel per step. (travel distance/ number of steps)

3) Use CCDinspector to get the orientation of the focal plane tilt.

4) The tilt in my system was along the X-axis. I focused at the bottom of the CCD, then again using the stars at the top edge. Looked at the step difference and got a number. From that got a distance.
Then I used some precision plastic shim stock (coloured so you can easily pick the right thickness) trimmed a small strip and placed it under the edge of the nosepiece that needed raising.

Took another test shot (or ten). Round stars to the edge.

Poured myself a single malt.



Thanks for the procedure. I have mine trimmed up but last time it was more painful than I remembered and I lost a night over it.

Greg.
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Old 20-02-2018, 09:39 AM
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Thanks for the procedure. I have mine trimmed up but last time it was more painful than I remembered and I lost a night over it.

Greg.
Yes, a PITA for sure...but when done well, thankfully only needs doing once.
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Old 20-02-2018, 09:43 AM
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Yes thanks for posting that procedure Peter!
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Old 20-02-2018, 08:14 PM
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What a beautiful and unique photo Peter...a real "composititon".

I love the colours and detail.

The huge beam coming through looks so cool!

I photographed the Witch Head Nebula in Coonabarabran about 3 years ago and I got a similar sized beam coming into the frame from Rigel, hitting the witch right on her nose!
Seeing your photo gives me the confidence to maybe post it.

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Beautiful photo and yes very unique but it looks great.

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Old 20-02-2018, 09:24 PM
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What a beautiful and unique photo Peter...a real "composititon".

I love the colours and detail.

The huge beam coming through looks so cool!

I photographed the Witch Head Nebula in Coonabarabran about 3 years ago and I got a similar sized beam coming into the frame from Rigel, hitting the witch right on her nose!
Seeing your photo gives me the confidence to maybe post it.

Ross.
Very kind Ross. The surprise for me was the spectral dispersion from Mimosa.

I've also seen this effect before when imaging the Horse-Head but the diffraction then was almost monochromatic.

I suspect I picked up diffracted colour as the guiding was pretty much perfect over the RGB capture....after all, this is what diffraction gratings do!
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