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Old 03-03-2013, 12:54 PM
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Processing Opportunity/Challenge

I think I have finally got my system under control.

This is a large X1.5 native pixel size image of Carina in 3nm NII 7MB

http://d1355990.i49.quadrahosting.co.../CAR_NII_L.jpg


The data is 17x16 minutes (4.5 hours) with the camera at -35C.

Here is a full resolution compressed 16 bit tiff file to play with. It is untouched after correcting for darks and flats and stacking. The resulting fit file was used to produce a B&W tiff with the fit assigned to all three colour channels.

The file is 218MB uncompressed. Here is a zip version 50MB

http://d1355990.i49.quadrahosting.co..._NII_L_tif.zip


I would be very interested to see what others can get out of this data.

Always remember that the neatest correct entry wins!

I am in the process of collecting SII, HA and OIII and I will put them up as well.


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Old 03-03-2013, 01:28 PM
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Superb vista Bert! Downloading it now.

Here's the links:

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50% [4.43MB]

Surprisingly little noise. Nothing to do really but strecth. Top stuff!
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Old 03-03-2013, 02:19 PM
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Superb vista Bert! Downloading it now.

Here's the links:

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Surprisingly little noise. Nothing to do really but strecth. Top stuff!
Marc you have already shown me I am trying to hard to get contrast and then lose real information.

yep ye canna beat many long exposures and dithering with sigma rejection and median etc.

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Old 03-03-2013, 02:32 PM
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Marc you have already shown me I am trying to hard to get contrast and then lose real information.
We all have different styles of processing. You seem to like the sharper more contrasty type. I'm more mellow. Many ways to skin a cat. All personal preference really. I'm sure others will come with different and more pleasing views.

All I did was:

1_ strecth too versions of the TIFFs. One for the central details and one for the outer nebulae. The trick is not to burn the stars (or as little as possible)
2_ Composite them in two layers in photoshop. Put the sharp darker core on top of the over-stretched one with an opaque mask, then paint the outer area to reveal the faint stuff.
3_ Collapse the two then to a overlay in softlight with a high pass filter at 60% opacity to sharpen a little.
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Superb vista Bert! Downloading it now.

Here's the links:

1:1 [6.86MB]
50% [4.43MB]

Surprisingly little noise. Nothing to do really but strecth. Top stuff!
Agree with Marc. Nothing to do but stretch. So clean data!!!!!
Anyway here is my image which appears to be a blend of both of both your procedures - doesnt need sharpening.
My PSD file is over 2 Gb and the reduction to a 200kb jpeg is rediculous.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:03 PM
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Agree with Marc. Nothing to do but stretch. So clean data!!!!!
Anyway here is my image which appears to be a blend of both of both your procedures - doesnt need sharpening.
My PSD file is over 2 Gb and the reduction to a 200kb jpeg is rediculous.
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Stunning version Allan!

I knew this would be a good idea as there is a wealth of knowledge here at IIS that we all should revel in.

My forte is data collection not data processing. I still have a lot to learn.

Keep them coming and we will all learn!

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Old 03-03-2013, 04:18 PM
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Thanks for the post Bert - and others, Watching and learning.

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Old 03-03-2013, 04:45 PM
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You've got some great data there Bert!

My quick & dirty version merely shows that there is almost no place in this field devoid of neb so there is very little (if any) "black".

It looks harsher than Marc's but that's done to highlight the detail inherent in areas that would otherwise look a little flat. It depends how you want to present the image - full res or scaled down. Scale can dictate the amount of contrast you need to display for best effect. Scaled down you may want a softer look than what I've done to avoid the overcooked critique. I can tell you though, at full res, my additional contrast yields an image rich in detail.

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If only I knew what to do here, some great results indeed.

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Old 03-03-2013, 06:26 PM
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Wow man, now that's what I'm talki'in'bout!
Awesome data there Bert, knew that scope was from the Gods (Italian Gods)

Marc's version is cool

Marcus's version shows just how much is there

Allans..?..well that's..?..I dunno? How'd ya do that Allan? ...I'm thinking Pixinsight ala Rogelio Andreo'ish..?

My version is a quick attempt at keeping it kinda real

HERE

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Old 03-03-2013, 07:39 PM
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Just to try and illustrate what I meant in my post above - here is a much larger (50% scaled) version Bert. Screeds of detail and nuance and lovely to swim around in.

http://upload.pbase.com/gailmarc/ima...24144/original

Cheers, Marcus
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:19 PM
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Hi all!

For what it's worth, here's my effort at processing Bert's data. Bert you forgot to record the noise!!

Cheers,
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:50 PM
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It is really interesting to see how the same data turns out with people interpretations. Very different versions. It shows that the objects we take pictures of will always look different no matter what and it all comes down to personal preferences and perception rather than technique.
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Just to try and illustrate what I meant in my post above - here is a much larger (50% scaled) version Bert. Screeds of detail and nuance and lovely to swim around in.

http://upload.pbase.com/gailmarc/ima...24144/original

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Quite amazing data huh Marcus?

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(also Bert's not bad either.)
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Quite amazing data huh Marcus?

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My 0.2 cents

Bit of Levels and Curves, run through with Power Detail Extract action, bit of readjustment. No sharpening at all.

Lovely data.

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Allans..?..well that's..?..I dunno? How'd ya do that Allan? ...I'm thinking Pixinsight ala Rogelio Andreo'ish..?

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No Mike all done with PS3 extended with levels and curves with a little masking. No sharpening or Pixinsight magic. Too Vegas for you?
It's such great data which has been a real eye opener to process.
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:14 AM
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My 0.2 cents

Bit of Levels and Curves, run through with Power Detail Extract action, bit of readjustment. No sharpening at all.

Lovely data.

Cheers
I think you've nailed it John. That's the one I like the most.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:05 AM
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Managed to get OIII data last night. The Moon interferes even with 3nm OIII, so there is a bit of a gradient in the blue channel.

Exposures are 17x16 minutes for all filters.

Native pixel size tiff. SII to red, NII to green and OIII to blue. 1:1:1, 56MB

http://d1355990.i49.quadrahosting.co...OIII_UNSTR.zip


I am really pleased to find out how much I do not know about processing. It gives me an incentive to learn more.

I cannot even imagine what this data can really look like.

Below is just a stretched version.There is a PN? at bottom left. The green 'star'seems to be a PN as well at bottom right.

Bert
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