Go Back   IceInSpace > Equipment > Equipment Discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 16-10-2019, 11:46 AM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
MMM decisions, edge 8 or 9.25

Bit of a dilemma regarding these two scopes. 230mm focal difference compared to the cost difference. Wanting this second scope for galaxy season once my azeq6 gt comes back from being super tuned.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16-10-2019, 12:44 PM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
Daniel
Your cameras pixel pitch ( uM) should have a bearing on what scope you choose especially in Bortle 3 skies down the south coast
General rule of thumb for image or pixel scale is aim for 1 to 2 arc sec per pixel. I’m imaging at around 0.90 with my newts which is slightly over sampled but works well at Sydney and better at Narrawallee
As far as Aperture goes an 8” should be large enough as I’m imaging up to magnitude 9.5 galaxies at Narrawallee with my 8” f5 newt at only 1000mm focal length
You want to get your image scale closer to 1.0 arc sec per pixel to take advantage of those beautiful dark skies down there
Cheers
Martin
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16-10-2019, 05:11 PM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
yeah mate, I have been going onto bintel site and trying to figure out the mag with what scope for my canon 5dsr. my eon f7 doesn't get close enough for those smaller galaxies such as the superman etc. I want to capture the not so known ones which aren't photographed a lot

going off the FOV calculator even the edge c8 would suit the 5dsr, even better with the zwo 1600. The money I save on the c8 I could go to the zwo route for the main camera

http://www.12dstring.me.uk/fovcalc.php
view with the 8" quatro 1.06"/pixel. Like to get closer but I need to remember though the pixelation in over and under sampling when enlarging the photos

Last edited by RB; 16-10-2019 at 06:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16-10-2019, 08:10 PM
Camelopardalis's Avatar
Camelopardalis (Dunk)
Drifting from the pole

Camelopardalis is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 5,425
How about an 8” f/5 newt? Or if you want a little more focal length, the 10”?

Easier to collimate than the f/4 scope, but still substantially faster than the Edge scopes (f/10).
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 16-10-2019, 08:16 PM
Wavytone
Registered User

Wavytone is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Killara, Sydney
Posts: 4,147
Daniel the same focal ratio, and a difference between the two of a mere 15% in aperture/focal ratio and 33% in light-grasp. Not a significant difference.

Changing the parameters by a factor of 2 is where it gets interesting - focal ratio, aperture or focal length.

Hence I’d say look for an 8” f4 or 5 Newtonian, or a 190 mm Maksutov Newtonian (Skywatcher and Orion made some suitable for imaging). The latter are rare but do work well, occasionally one appears secondhand.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 16-10-2019, 08:16 PM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
A Canon 5dsr has a full frame sensor which will be to wide for a 2” crayford focuser. APS-C crop sensors are more suitable for 2” focusers

FOV calculator ( in arc minutes )
Width or Height of camera chip in mm x 3460 / telescope focal length in mm

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16-10-2019, 08:17 PM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
yeah I'm looking at the sky watcher quatro's. There is also the saxon 254 newt but don't know much about the saxons
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16-10-2019, 09:24 PM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
Are you aware that f4 Astro newts like the Quattro in 8” and 10” can be difficult to collimate and keep collimation if moved off and on a mount regularly ie: moved around a bit
That’s why I went for an f5 they are more forgiving in regards to collimation , I check mine once in a while for collimation and normally they don’t require adjustment
Saxon telescopes are marketed from NZ but are made you guessed it ( in China ) like everything else
Skywatcher scopes have had a good name world wide for many years ( also made in China ) but very good support in Australia
Bintel GSO scopes are slightly cheaper ( made in Taiwan ) and have good optics and in my opinion better dual speed focusers than Skywatcher ( also good support in Australia via Bintel )
I have both Skywatcher and Bintel scopes and mounts , so you can’t go wrong with either
My advice, do your research on the f4 astrographs !!
My 2 cents ......
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 16-10-2019, 11:16 PM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
yep heard about the f4's. I am quite keen on a 190 mak newt as mentioned by Wavytone but focal length isn't much different to my eon 130. the 190 1000mm, eon 910mm but the 190 is at f5.3
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 17-10-2019, 05:19 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
Have you considered a Sidereal Trading 10” f5 carbon fibre newt
Huge aperture, long focal length at 1250mm , easy to collimate and light enough on your big AZ Alt mount
A real galaxy hunter down there
Only one caveat, on a windy night , guiding will be affected but I use poly tarps from Bunnings and hook them up on some small trees around my 8” f5 when I’m at Narrawallee and it’s windy and have managed to guide under 1 arc sec in 25 km/hr whilst imaging galaxies
Attached image of Pavo Galaxy on a windy night at Narrawallee with my 8” f5 newt
Just a thought !
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (41FD8BB5-C466-498A-BD5C-0E4AD0EA01D7.jpg)
208.4 KB32 views
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 17-10-2019, 07:26 AM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
thanks for the info Martin I will have another look at the sidereal. That was the other thing I read about was the wind problem but I figure at most if the wind is blowing it generally caused turbulence higher up anyway so I don't worry about shooting. As you would know though the August winds usually blow down here
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 17-10-2019, 07:34 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
The wind, turbulence or jetstream up high doesn’t worry us too much , you can live with that , it’s the wind on the ground that really affects your guiding and therefore ruin your images , guiding is so sensitive to any subtle movement
Have you guided before ?
If not myself and most other members will thoroughly recommend PHD2 , it’s free software
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 17-10-2019, 08:57 AM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
yeah mate I only photograph, very rarely observe. I've got phd2 and use it but wanted my mount to be alot better hence sending it over the WA to get supertuned so won't have it for about 2 weeks. I think I have decided now on my set up, the sidereal 250 DS ota and the zwo asi294pro colour. the sampling with this using the 250 and my eon 130 refractor is quite good anywhere from .8 to 1.06. A bit over sampling if using 1.5x powermate etc. I may get a moonlite focuser for it also
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 17-10-2019, 09:02 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
Good choice for chasing those faint fuzzies
I use a JMI moto focus with 2m cord and handcontroller, not as sophisticated at other autofocusers but it’s super light , easy to use and does a good job, always trying to save payload weight
Good luck and enjoy !!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 17-10-2019, 09:11 AM
Bluknghtv's Avatar
Bluknghtv (Daniel)
Registered User

Bluknghtv is offline
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Burrill Lake nsw Australia
Posts: 55
How do you find dew build up though. I get a fair bit here in the back yard being so close to the beach. Not sure how to set up the dew strap if needed for the secondary. I already use the kendrick for my eon so it would be just a bigger strap. Highpoint scientific sell secondary heat guards but they don't ship to oz
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 17-10-2019, 09:37 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
Yeah dew can finish your night early, where ever you Image
I use Kendrick dew straps on everything with an Orion 4 channel dew zapper controller
It’s set up each session regardless , only takes 5 minutes or so but can save your night
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 17-10-2019, 09:42 AM
el_draco (Rom)
Politically incorrect.

el_draco is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Tasmania (South end)
Posts: 2,315
Dirt cheap OTA in Classifieds ATM....:-)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 18-10-2019, 08:04 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 5,990
Daniel
Just wondering where you sent your mount to in WA to get hyper tuned ?
And what does it entail
Cheers
Martin
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 06:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Testar
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement