new particle at nearly 4 sigma

[alpal]

Originally Posted by Shiraz

Energetic protons are the active components in the LHC and they are also the most common high energy cosmic ray components - collisions in the LHC are the same as those in the the atmosphere. But cosmic ray protons can have way greater energy than anything that CERN produces. It is protons that come in from far off energetic events, not the temporary high energy particles that result when there is a collision in the atmosphere (or in the LHC for that matter).

So all of the temporary particles produced in LHC will also be produced in the atmosphere - plus even higher energy ones that cannot be produced in the LHC (if there are any of course).

The difference is that the collision results can be reliably observed in the LHC, but far less so in the uncontrolled atmospheric environment.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...ut-cosmic-rays

OK - so protons are made in quasars or other high energy objects &
are are sent half way across the universe arriving in our atmosphere
at far greater energies than those produced at CERN.
Protons are stable so they can survive the long journey.

Can we agree on that?

[Shiraz (Ray)]

yep

and those high energy protons produce temporary large particles on collision with atmospheric atoms (and I guess elsewhere on earth) - same process as happens in the LHC, only cosmic ray protons can have much higher energy than anything in the LHC.

The esoteric particles are not just inventions that exist only in far off supernovas etc and have nothing to do with us on earth - they are (presumably) produced all of the time in the air above our heads (and in the LHC, where they can be studied).