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Old 17-11-2014, 07:38 AM
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Visiting Australia for the first time.

Greetings,

I am planning to visit Australia next Aug. and I will be traveling with a friend who has been there before. We are planning to fly into Brisbane and from there either drive or fly up the coast to various locations along the east cost. From there we plan to go Darwin and head south to the to the interior, perhaps going to Uluru and some locations around. We may also visit Siding Spring Observatory. I am thinking of bringing my C-90 along for the trip (if it is not too much of a hassle with the airlines) but I am not sure yet. I do definitely plan on bringing my camera gear and binoculars though. Another thought that I had was that maybe I could rent a telescope for a week or two while I am in the country? Not sure on that one yet. I have already got some great tips from the cloudynights forum at the following thread:

http://www.cloudynights.com/topic/46...ing-australia/

Any other advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.

Joe Wheelock
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Old 17-11-2014, 08:12 AM
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Greetings,

I am planning to visit Australia next Aug. and I will be traveling with a friend who has been there before. We are planning to fly into Brisbane and from there either drive or fly up the coast to various locations along the east cost. From there we plan to go Darwin and head south to the to the interior, perhaps going to Uluru and some locations around. We may also visit Siding Spring Observatory. I am thinking of bringing my C-90 along for the trip (if it is not too much of a hassle with the airlines) but I am not sure yet. I do definitely plan on bringing my camera gear and binoculars though. Another thought that I had was that maybe I could rent a telescope for a week or two while I am in the country? Not sure on that one yet. I have already got some great tips from the cloudynights forum at the following thread:

http://www.cloudynights.com/topic/46...ing-australia/

Any other advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.

Joe Wheelock
McDonald Observatory, TX
USA
Welcome Joe Don't worry about bringing a scope, there are a lot of nice folk here in Brisbane and Australia that will lend you a good Mak-Cas Go-to or what ever you need. cheers.
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Old 17-11-2014, 08:30 AM
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Welcome Joe Don't worry about bringing a scope, there are a lot of nice folk here in Brisbane and Australia that will lend you a good Mak-Cas Go-to or what ever you need. cheers.
Thanks John!
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Old 17-11-2014, 10:25 AM
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Hi Joe,

If you had been fortunate enough to come next April rather than in August,
you could have joined fellow northern hemisphere observers at the
OzSky 2015 event, also known as the Deepest South Texas Star Party.

We host it specifically for overseas visitors to showcase to them the
southern skies using an array of large aperture Dobsonians. It is held
15 minutes drive away from the Sidings Springs observatory.

Over the years we have had quite a large number of Texan visitors
come to OzSky, including several from Fort Davis.

Reciprocally, a few of us have been to Fort Davis to attend TSP.
I was there in 2007 and visited the McDonald Observatory on a
couple of occasions. I am likely to be in Dallas and the north of Texas
this coming March.

When planning your trip don't forget that, like the continental United
States, Australia is vast.

You might consider flying between major destinations and renting
a vehicle from there. There are two major budget carriers,
Jetstar & Virgin Blue.

Their airfares tend to go through a cycle depending upon the destination
and demand and so sometimes their prices for a given flight will
depend upon when you committed to purchasing it.

There are typically several rental car franchises at each of the airports.
Just because you managed to get a good price with one company
at one airport, don't assume that is universally true across the country.
Compare the prices for each company at each airport. For example,
sometimes the rates out of Avis, Hertz & Europcar can be cheaper than
the "budget" operators.

We drive on the left.
Easy to forget, particularly if you have pulled off the side of a quiet
road to take photos and then start driving again with no other
vehicles to make reference to. Eugene Shoemaker was killed
in a 4WD accident out here in 1997. The coroner's report suggested
he instinctively pulled to the right into the path of another oncoming
4WD on a narrow desert track in West Australia.

Some years back, an entourage of well known American amateur observers
were here and managed to rear-end a total of three Toyota 4WD's they were
driving when the one driving out front decided to pull up quickly to look
at something on the sealed road between Darwin and Alice Springs. Suffice to say
the rental car guy in Darwin was not impressed with them.

There is a jet airport both at Uluru and Alice Springs. Though the
road between Alice Springs and Uluru is sealed, renting a 4WD
out of Darwin or Alice Springs will afford you the opportunity to explore the
surrounding region on unsealed roads. For example, the Mereenie
Loop road (check with the rental company that they will allow
you to drive it) takes in the West MacDonnell Ranges, Kings
Canyon, Uluru and Kata Tjuta. I always like to take the drive from there
to Rainbow Valley and then the back 4WD track that follows the old
Ghan railway line back to Alice Springs. But only do it in the dry.

Sidings Springs is a bit tricky to get too in that it is not serviced
by airflights. Either drive the 5-1/2 hours from Sydney or fly
or catch the Country Link train to Dubbo and rent a car from there
and drive the 2 hours to Coonabarabran.

If you have any specific questions, please feel free to post them here.

Best Regards

Gary Kopff
Wildcard Innovations Pty Ltd
Mt Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
+61-2-9457-9049
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Old 17-11-2014, 01:23 PM
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Hi Joe,

If you had been fortunate enough to come next April rather than in August,
you could have joined fellow northern hemisphere observers at the
OzSky 2015 event, also known as the Deepest South Texas Star Party.

We host it specifically for overseas visitors to showcase to them the
southern skies using an array of large aperture Dobsonians. It is held
15 minutes drive away from the Sidings Springs observatory.

Over the years we have had quite a large number of Texan visitors
come to OzSky, including several from Fort Davis.

Reciprocally, a few of us have been to Fort Davis to attend TSP.
I was there in 2007 and visited the McDonald Observatory on a
couple of occasions. I am likely to be in Dallas and the north of Texas
this coming March.

When planning your trip don't forget that, like the continental United
States, Australia is vast.

You might consider flying between major destinations and renting
a vehicle from there. There are two major budget carriers,
Jetstar & Virgin Blue.

Their airfares tend to go through a cycle depending upon the destination
and demand and so sometimes their prices for a given flight will
depend upon when you committed to purchasing it.

There are typically several rental car franchises at each of the airports.
Just because you managed to get a good price with one company
at one airport, don't assume that is universally true across the country.
Compare the prices for each company at each airport. For example,
sometimes the rates out of Avis, Hertz & Europcar can be cheaper than
the "budget" operators.

We drive on the left.
Easy to forget, particularly if you have pulled off the side of a quiet
road to take photos and then start driving again with no other
vehicles to make reference to. Eugene Shoemaker was killed
in a 4WD accident out here in 1997. The coroner's report suggested
he instinctively pulled to the right into the path of another oncoming
4WD on a narrow desert track in West Australia.

Some years back, an entourage of well known American amateur observers
were here and managed to rear-end a total of three Toyota 4WD's they were
driving when the one driving out front decided to pull up quickly to look
at something on the sealed road between Darwin and Alice Springs. Suffice to say
the rental car guy in Darwin was not impressed with them.

There is a jet airport both at Uluru and Alice Springs. Though the
road between Alice Springs and Uluru is sealed, renting a 4WD
out of Darwin or Alice Springs will afford you the opportunity to explore the
surrounding region on unsealed roads. For example, the Mereenie
Loop road (check with the rental company that they will allow
you to drive it) takes in the West MacDonnell Ranges, Kings
Canyon, Uluru and Kata Tjuta. I always like to take the drive from there
to Rainbow Valley and then the back 4WD track that follows the old
Ghan railway line back to Alice Springs. But only do it in the dry.

Sidings Springs is a bit tricky to get too in that it is not serviced
by airflights. Either drive the 5-1/2 hours from Sydney or fly
or catch the Country Link train to Dubbo and rent a car from there
and drive the 2 hours to Coonabarabran.

If you have any specific questions, please feel free to post them here.

Best Regards

Gary Kopff
Wildcard Innovations Pty Ltd
Mt Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
+61-2-9457-9049
Thanks for the information Gary!
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Old 17-11-2014, 06:22 PM
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If you are contemplating any time in the Outback, do your homework. It'll kill you in a blink. It ain't like U.S. desert country, its real mean if you make a mistake. Make damn sure you have a EPIRB

Want the best scenery in the country, try Wild West Tassie.

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Old 18-11-2014, 02:50 PM
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Joe,

Your plans align nicely with Queensland Astrofest 2015. The dates are Friday 07 August - Sunday 16 August 2015.

Queensland Astrofest is held at Lions Camp Duckadang near Linville in the upper reaches of the Brisbane River Valley. An easy 2 hour drive from Brisbane.

The Website is at http://www.qldastrofest.org.au

Nothing on the site yet about 2015 - I got the dates from Organising Committee member (Wendy).

You will find some great time-lapse video taken at previous Queensland Astrofests on You Tube.

Come on down.
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Old 19-11-2014, 07:41 AM
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Joe,

Your plans align nicely with Queensland Astrofest 2015. The dates are Friday 07 August - Sunday 16 August 2015.

Queensland Astrofest is held at Lions Camp Duckadang near Linville in the upper reaches of the Brisbane River Valley. An easy 2 hour drive from Brisbane.

The Website is at http://www.qldastrofest.org.au

Nothing on the site yet about 2015 - I got the dates from Organising Committee member (Wendy).

You will find some great time-lapse video taken at previous Queensland Astrofests on You Tube.

Come on down.
Thanks!
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Old 19-11-2014, 07:46 AM
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+1 for QLD AstroFest, I had a great time this year besides camping there are bunks and it is catered for an extra fee.

Just be prepared for the cold...it can freeze over up there...
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Old 20-11-2014, 03:14 AM
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+1 for QLD AstroFest, I had a great time this year besides camping there are bunks and it is catered for an extra fee.

Just be prepared for the cold...it can freeze over up there...
I am used to cold weather so no problem!
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Old 24-05-2015, 07:39 AM
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Reviving an old thread here. I had a huge delay with getting my passport and to make matters worse the friend I was planning to travel with may not be able to go after all. So at this point I am not sure if I will be going. I am debating though about traveling solo and attending the Queensland Astrofest and maybe going to Uluru. I have never traveled overseas before and I am bit hesitant to go by myself. if I do decide to go solo, some travel tips would be of great assistance.

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Old 24-05-2015, 11:00 AM
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Joe
Speaking as an Aussie, you probably won't find a friendlier, safer place to try out oversea travel than down here, with the possible exception of New Zealand.
The hardest thing about the trip is probably the long haul over the Pacific. The 14 hours from Melbourne to LA is not really fun, but as a means to an end you just relax and enjoy the rewards at the end.
Having said that, solo outback travel is maybe not the way to go unless you know what you are doing, so maybe best to stick to the coast.

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Hi Joe,

I'm living in Brisbane Northside suburbs. I have lived several years up the coast. Jun, Jul and Aug can be quite windy. By late Aug the winds die down. Other than that its usually clear skies and dry.
Darwin will be perfect weather. Warm dry and clear.

The weather gurus have predicted an El Nino influence this winter. Dry clear conditions for the Qld east coast.

Enjoy your visit Downunder
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Old 25-05-2015, 07:05 AM
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Thanks! I am still thinking about it. it will be a challenge driving on the "wrong" side of the road. I have been reading up on it though!

Joe W.
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Old 25-05-2015, 07:58 AM
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I know how you feel! I am about to head to Hawaii in a few days and will have my first attempt to drive on the "wrong" side

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Thanks! I am still thinking about it. it will be a challenge driving on the "wrong" side of the road. I have been reading up on it though!

Joe W.
Not so hard driving - at least the position of the steering wheel gives some indication of where you should be. Try riding a motorcycle on the "other" side of the road. Last time I was riding in USA , every time I took off from a road side stop I would start on the wrong side. A friendly toot on the horn from my American friend would correct me and avoid a head on!
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Old 25-05-2015, 09:30 AM
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Thanks! I am still thinking about it. it will be a challenge driving on the "wrong" side of the road. I have been reading up on it though!
Recent research has indicated that the way the human brain is wired favours driving on the left. Just sayin'

On a practical note, I've driven on both sides over the years and it's pretty easy. Especially driving in Australia as so long as you steer clear of Sydney and Melbourne, the roads are reasonably wide and mostly quiet and Aussies like big cars with automatic transmissions...

If you really want to push the boat out, fly to London, rent a car there and drive to Paris
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Reviving an old thread here. I had a huge delay with getting my passport and to make matters worse the friend I was planning to travel with may not be able to go after all. So at this point I am not sure if I will be going. I am debating though about traveling solo and attending the Queensland Astrofest and maybe going to Uluru. I have never traveled overseas before and I am bit hesitant to go by myself. if I do decide to go solo, some travel tips would be of great assistance.
Do it mate, the southern sky is worth it AstroFest is a great event, lots of friendly folk, and it's relatively close to Brisbane (2 hours by car).

If you're planning on driving elsewhere, just remember to pace yourself. The distance thing here is a different ball game, even though you're from Texas. Uluru is a good 3000+ km drive whichever way you go.
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Old 25-05-2015, 11:20 AM
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Do it mate, the southern sky is worth it AstroFest is a great event, lots of friendly folk, and it's relatively close to Brisbane (2 hours by car).

If you're planning on driving elsewhere, just remember to pace yourself. The distance thing here is a different ball game, even though you're from Texas. Uluru is a good 3000+ km drive whichever way you go.
That is a long haul but I would have no problem. About once year I go to visit my family and old friends who live about 2100km from me. I usually split the drive up into a couple of days. It would be a great way to see more of the country too! I love camping out but I may just find some motels along the way. I would have to make sure that I hire a car that has no limits on driving distances though! Thanks Camelopardalis! (everyone else)
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Recent research has indicated that the way the human brain is wired favours driving on the left. Just sayin'
Yes, they drive on the right side we drive on the correct side. Of course the blame for the whole side-of-the-road schemozzle comes down to Napoleon and America's hatred of the English after the War of Independence. Otherwise we'd all drive on the left just like they did in antiquity. [Well at least in Europe; did they have a system in China or India?]

The main problem I've seen over the years with overseas visitors (and plenty of Ozzies too) is that they underestimate travel times. Distances are huge and not all highways are suited to very high speeds. For a start the roads are often unfenced and stock will wander. You will soon enough know the sight and smell!! of dead cattle. You will also learn just how slow eagles are at taking off. I've had an emu step out from behind a bush when I was doing 100kmh. I couldn't have stopped but the acceleration of an alarmed emu is remarkable. Still, if I had been doing 120kmh I would have had drumsticks for dinner.

There is a lot of bumpf talked about the dangers of outback travel. It's true that there are vast areas where you should only venture if you are well equipped and know what you are doing. The main road to Uluru isn't one of them. My guess is that you will see another car every 5-10 minutes on the Sturt Highway and maybe every 15-20 minutes on the road to Uluru. Naturally you should be in a reliable vehicle but apart from I'd say the only thing to carry is some spare water and enough warm clothes, just in case you are stranded overnight. Oh yes ... perhaps a lighter so you can entertain yourself with a fire .

The name of a road is not necessarily a good indication of how well trafficked it is. Roads like the Sturt Hwy, Barrier Hwy and Barkley Hwy carry a lot of traffic but the Plenty Hwy and Sandover Hwy are considerably remote and the Gunbarrel Hwy ..... well, look it up!

Mobile phone coverage is basically pretty scant outside of towns but I've been surprised at times where I have got reception, and disappointed at other times with where I haven't got reception. Telstra has the best coverage but an Aldi prepaid (which uses the Telstra network), rather than a plan, might be the best bet for your needs. The Telstra phone coverage map is a work of fiction.

Have fun while you are here and remember to spend lots of money - we need it!
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