Thank you all for your insights. You've all made me feel a whole lot better that it's going to be very hard to capture with my setup and it's not my ability or lack there of
I may try cranking up the iso as suggested although the risk I run there is the sky glow I'll get in my area . Yes trying it at a darker site might be an option. I'll give it a go because it's just in my nature to not give up ( sometimes to my detriment )
Given the lack of clear nights at the moment, I won't be wasting a huge amount of time on it.
Thank you all again. Your help is appreciated as always