regarding oldie images.

[raymo]

Now that Andy has shown everyone what can be done, there is no further
need for my examples, so I shall cease and desist, as the old saying goes.
raymo

[leon]

That is sad Raymo we loved your stuff.

leon

[PKay (Peter)]

You notice 115 people viewed your last image Raymo!

I think that there will be 115 sad people now :-(

Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent :-)

[Startrek (Martin)]

Raymo
Over the past 3 years you have been a wealth of advice on IIS and one of the reasons I have progressed to where I am at the moment
Your images are simply amazing ( I may not comment on each one ) considering the simplicity of the capture , no fancy guiding technology or post processing , real grass roots stuff from the film days
Keep posting at your own leisure but don’t stop, us beginners me included ( over 60’s ) still have so much to learn
Cheers
Martin

[raymo]

Due to the overwhelming number of requests [3], I'll post a few more, but
will space them out a bit more, to give the people who are sick of me a break.
raymo

[leon]

Just keep at it Raymo, if some of them are sick of it, that is their problem, they don't have to open the post, just post as many as you like mate, we love em.

Leon

[PaulSthcoast (Paul)]

Raymo,

Having just found this thread, and not knowing
what lead to you suggesting not posting any more of your
'Oldie' images.

I can only add to the thread to say once again, thank you
for the inspiration you provide me to get out and give it a go.

I can only agree on the comments already posted.

Martin has been a great wealth of support and knowledge
to me since I joined the site, and honestly, we have chatted
many times about not only your input to the Site, but
in regards to your knowledge and ability to share it.

I look forward to your next posts !!

Paul.

[xelasnave]

Hi Raymo
I expect you overlooked one key aspect with Andy's image.

It was you who inspired him to have a go at this object.

And the fact of the matter is you inspire so many folk here, me included, to have a go at a particular image simply because you have put it up here. Folk starting out often don't know what can be photographed and seeing your images I expect gives many folk something to go for...

I always look forward to seeing your next image...I don't always log in but call be most days and the first place I look at is here and am always delighted to see you have put up another image...my only beef is I would like you to tell more about your recollections in capturing the image, how long it took to finally bag it , in other words this "it's self explainitory" can only hide what really went into the image. And I think each posting could reinterate what you did for processing, I know Deep Sky Stacked is it but for folk starting out your results will have them doing a stack and producing a result after seeing that you have produced these great images with only Deep Sky Stacker.
I really think you underestimate how many people follow you and look up to you.
Alex

[muletopia (Chris)]

+1 for what Alex said, as one who has received your help and advice.
Chris

[leon]

See I told ya

Leon

[Hemi]

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto.......


I agree with everyone Raymo, I don't comment or post that often, but open all your image posts! They are great!! keep posting, not been around long enough to have seen 1% of your oldies

Keep dusting them off and posting em.

Hemi

[raymo]

I have been truly humbled by the replies to this thread. Its nice to know that I haven't been wasting my time.
There will not be many more images to come, because of the very low number [40-45] of usable nights where I live, and my not being always available to use them.
It sucks to be in my 70th year of visual, and 68th of AP, and to be producing
images that many newbies can surpass in a month or three.
raymo

[leon]

Well Raymo you did not have the technology that is available now and the fancy processing software, we were from the old school, so to speak, any wonder a newbie can surpass us old farts.

Having said that our stuff from the past was pretty special with the equipment, I at least had a my disposal.

Reckon you were in the same boat then.

Leon

[raymo]

Hi Leon,
I was lucky for a while, being allowed to use my uncle's 3" refractor, Leica [MIIIG, if I remember correctly], and darkroom.
When he died that all came to an end, and I was back to equipment
that was little more than toys. What I miss is dodging and burning, which
was marvellous for the core of M42 for example. Not being able to use the whiz bang software we have now I am limited to increasing or reducing
the brightness of all the highlights and lowlights of the image rather than selected ones..
raymo

[etill (Elliot)]

If someone didn't do it the hard way first, there wouldn't be an easy way now. I cetainly appreciate the images your posting, I'd like to read more about how people went about doing any astrophotography before computers and fancy cooled cameras did a lot of the hard work.

[raymo]

I'm sure you could find what you want by Googling, but a few things to start you off.
Firstly, up until very recently, film had better resolution than digital cameras available to amateurs, around 30Mps. It therefore wasn't digital per se that was responsible for the leap in image quality, but what was done to the image after acquisition, namely stacking and processing.
The down sides to film AP were having no idea what was captured until the
film was developed, the cost of film, manual guiding [ a true pain in the neck,literally], and gas hypering very slow [25 ISO] film to increase its speed so an image could be obtained before I went cross eyed from guiding for long periods of time. Film suffers from two phenomena that impose limits on film that could be used; grain [ analogous to noise], and reciprocity failure, which is the film's ability to record an image diminishing as the exposure gets longer, which doesn't happen with digital imaging. The faster the film is, the more grain it displays, just like noise increases with higher ISO in digital cameras. The only processing involved was called
dodging and burning, which was carried out during the film developing and printing in the dark room.
Hope this started you off,
raymo