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Old 07-11-2017, 09:27 AM
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NGC 253 Comparison

Again, feel free to post (or repost) your 253's.

Attached is 2 images from the same data set.
300 of 30 sec. (Next time I will try 60 sec.)
Gain setting of 288. (Next time I will reduce that to 150.)

The first image is un cropped and basic post processing ie:
Background Neutralisation, SCNR (remove green), Colour Calibration and then a Histogram Stretch.
It reveals a very bad SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) and there is no colour.
Probably because of my settings (above).

The secound image (same data):
Not a single pixel was left standing...
I threw at it every PI processing tool that would do something to help.

It certainly pays to get things right at the start :-(
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Old 07-11-2017, 10:19 AM
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When I tilt my lap top 45 degrees your image comes alive.

When its square on the center of your image appears almost burnt out but tilt the screen 45 degrees and wow ...

Anyways you did good.

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Old 07-11-2017, 10:29 AM
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By tilting my screen to what seems a strange angle not only your image has come alive but all the images in the deep space section, that I have looked at again with this extreme tilt in the screen, just look much better.

How silly of me not to have realised the importance of screen tilt and its effect on an image.
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Old 07-11-2017, 12:25 PM
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Pkay,
Your second image is a clear standout with some nice detail in the silver coin. I was scouring through my images yesterday and reprocessed(Startools) believe it or not a shot I took of this object on a very warm mid October evening in my backyard. 20 min total. Your right in saying getting good data is key and stretching images with poor S/N ratio means somethings got to give. I have to increase the black point in order to rid the noise whilst boosting the colour. Its a fine balance but more subs in clearer skies would account for this anytime.
Anyhow my "two cents worth.
Melb Cup today- typical cloud cover but not stopping the beer and BBQ!

Keep up your good work Peter.
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Old 07-11-2017, 05:24 PM
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Hi Ant

Hope you backed a winner (I didn't).

Regards to your image. Firstly remember that I am new to this, so my observations may, or may not be relevant.

Quite a few images ago, one of the 'brains trust' said my stars looked like 'donuts'. This meant my focus was out.

I will spend sometimes an hour just fiddling with the focus. Sometimes it can be almost impossible to get right (because of the atmosphere??).

You have got good colour (better than mine), so that could mean your exposure time and gain were pretty good.

So in summary, well done!
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Old 07-11-2017, 06:08 PM
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i will see if i can dig out some previous 253 on my hard drive
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Old 07-11-2017, 06:41 PM
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Pkay,
Some astrophotographers use auto focusers and this is the way to go however like you I'm still learning the ropes too. My Newtonian has been modified to enable photography and the setup isn't ideal. I find zooming in on the canon live view helps prior to locking it in. Sure atmospherics vary the focus during the session but not enough to bother me too much. I take 25-40" subs and even though the star roundness isn't perfect it can be remedied. Shorter exposures certainly help retain star colour rather than overexposing through longer subs. It's all trial and error, I find plenty of error but hey every new trick goes into the melting pot.
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Old 07-11-2017, 07:47 PM
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My first digital attempt some yrs ago. Only 74kb so small image.
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:44 PM
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Here's my astrophotography journey with NGC253:
2007: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...se.php?a=33087
100x8 sec subs
DSI II pro/10" Newt

2008: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...se.php?a=46099
90x1min subs
DSI II pro/ED80

2009: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...se.php?a=62973
15 x 3 min and 10 x 4 min subs (85 mins total) using the 400D, paracorr and 10" Newt.

2010: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...se.php?a=83570
59x2min subs using the QHY8 and 10" Newt.

2011: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...e.php?a=101554
2 hrs total exposure in 2 min subs using the QHY8pro and 10" Newt.

2012: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...e.php?a=122831
35x5 mins worth of HaLRGB. 10" Newt and QSI683

2015: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...e.php?a=186546
45 subs (21 x 5min L and 8 x 2 min binned RGB) using the SN10/QSI683

2015: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...e.php?a=187611
2.5 hours worth of LRGB
SN10/QSI683

2017: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...e.php?a=217515
40x5min Lum 1x1
18x2min RGB 2x2
18x5min Ha 1x1
SN10/QSI683.

Can't believe I've been at this for 10 years.

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Old 07-11-2017, 10:22 PM
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oh peter that is a great way of showing us all of catalogued progress!
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:28 AM
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Big Peter

Amazing progress through those 4 images. That is real encouragement.
May we all make progress like that and keep learning!

(I wont be over the next 4 weeks...actually have to go away and work)
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:57 AM
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These are great ! Could people put up the scope/camera/mount (if they can remember), integration time and maybe software. Even if it's just brief. Would help guide doofs like me.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:06 AM
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The first NGC253 pic is one from 2014.
13 X 15second subs, equal amount of darks at iso 3200, canon 1100d, 10"f4.7 newt, no guiding, stacked in DSS. Tracked using an old 1970's cave mount RA drive only(second pic).

The second 253 pic is from October this year. Same scope but now on a Heq5 pro mount and guided with a finder guider, zwo120mc and Phd2, a stack of 19 x 2min subs @ iso 800, canon 1100d, Baader coma corrector added, stacked with DSS and processed with PS cs5.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:40 PM
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Mine was 10x 30 secs @ISO 1600 8" Newt on HEQ5 unguided.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:54 PM
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NGC 253 is such a great galaxy - I've been meaning to get back to it to add some more data. Very interesting to see your 253 journey Peter.

This pic was from 2013 and is 13 x 60 sec, M14 SCT, Nikon D7000, processed in Pixinsight.
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Old 11-11-2017, 01:37 PM
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Nice detail on that close in shot
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:00 PM
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A long way from home & my scope.
Set up the mobile for a hotspot (now that is dedication).
Already IIS feels like home.

Astronomers are totally cool :-)
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:19 PM
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http://www.astrobin.com/full/287438/D/

I’ve shot the galaxy twice in two years and both times the seeing has been utterly terrible. Maybe next year I’ll wait for an evening of stable skies!
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Old 12-11-2017, 11:13 AM
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My mine that I posted recently, but reprocessed in PI
http://www.astrobin.com/full/318873/0/
5.7 hours on asi071 8" F5 newt.
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Old 12-11-2017, 11:39 AM
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I've added my capture details and filled in the missing years . The recent ones processed in PI. Earlier PS or direct stacking with Envisage.
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