Can One Travel Without Actually Travelling

[TrevorW]

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by trevorw

hahaha

Hey Steven....looks like we're bilingual. We seem to be arguing in Japanese, and dueling with lightsabres

Uncle Albert's there telling us to "Schtop zis sillinezz!!"

That last emoticon...I don't think I want to go there!!!. That's too much info!!

Just had a thought....if we could figure out how to foreshorten highly focused beams of light or charged particles and create a lightsabre, we'll make a killing (literally) on the arms market!!

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Steven

I understand that you have a great deal of experiance and knowledge in this area and so it would be quite a pity if we couldnt utilise that. Soooo I wonder if you might reconsider. Why not pretend for a moment that Carl is a politician (sorry Carl) and he comes to you and he says if we dont get to FAsuKtil-B49XZ//\\5.2 (which is 10 billion light years away) in the next 50 years the world will end. What do you think might be the best avenue to explore for achieveng that. Now I understand that your immediate inclination might be to say its impossible but after Carl shows you that what lies ahead is certain destruction of humanity, you might want to reconsider the possibilities mighten you. Why dont you give it a try and let us in on what direction you think might be the most fruitful and why.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Why not pretend for a moment that Carl is a politician (sorry Carl)

You were close, I was once the VP of a political party

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

You were close, I was once the VP of a political party

The "VP"? I know I'll kick myself when you say

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Vice President. God its age isnt it.

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

You were close, I was once the VP of a political party

Explains the 'Pit-Bull' characteristics

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by FredSnerd

Vice President...

Precisely

But I can assure you I had no dealing in the vice...that was the treasurer's and president's jobs

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Precisely

But I can assure you I had no dealing in the vice.

Thats what they all say of course

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by Nesti

Explains the 'Pit-Bull' characteristics

No, that comes from being a very good debater and being too smart for my own good at school

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

No, that comes from being a very good debater and being too smart for my own good at school

"at school"

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by Nesti

"at school"

Yep, right at that place

[TrevorW]

Sorry guys but I recently read this text and it seemed logical

"You and I are rational beings yet we have faith. Faith is belief despite the total absence of proof , it is not reasonable in any way. Dogmatists attempt to create a logic of rules, so dogma is almost antithetical to faith"

In other words although it isn't plausible based on our current understanding we argue over a possibility we have no way of knowing may or may not happen at some future point in time.

So you both have valid points of view, neither of you are right or wrong.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

Sorry guys but I recently read this text and it seemed logical

"You and I are rational beings yet we have faith. Faith is belief despite the total absence of proof , it is not reasonable in any way. Dogmatists attempt to create a logic of rules, so dogma is almost antithetical to faith"

In other words although it isn't plausible based on our current understanding we argue over a possibility we have no way of knowing may or may not happen at some future point in time.

So you both have valid points of view are neither of you are right or wrong.

That's precisely what I have been saying all along

The whole premise of my original question was a hypothetical, that's why I prefaced it with "assuming (for the sake of argument)"

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by renormalised

I have read your statements carefully, and I know you have chosen your words carefully, but you are still making the assumption of what holds now will be the same in the future, even if you're only implying it in the spirit of your posts.

No I don't. This line of argument also fails to "argumentum ad ignorantiam".

To assume that a premise is correct today will also it be correct tomorrow is a logical fallacy.
To assume a premise is incorrect today because it will be corrected tomorrow is also logical fallacy.

It doesn't leave any scope does it.

For me the whole issue of considering that FLT travel is possible in the future is superfluous. Whether it will occur or not obviously has no impact on science today.
Theoretical physics is hard enough to comprehend today without trying to project it into the future.
For me it's the current issues that count.

So Carl if FTL travel occurs in our lifetime you can send me a 4-D spacetime video E-mail message on your Windows ZZZZ driven quantum computer telling me "I told you so".

Steven

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by renormalised

hahaha


That last emoticon...I don't think I want to go there!!!. That's too much info!!

I hope Trevor is not having some weird fantasy.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by sjastro

I hope Trevor is not having some weird fantasy.

I have a very nervous twitch about this one!!!

[renormalised (Carl)]

So Carl if FTL travel occurs in our lifetime you can send me a 4-D spacetime video E-mail message on your Windows ZZZZ driven quantum computer telling me "I told you so".http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....milies/lol.gif

Steven

You do know I'm sending this via subspace carrier link from Deep Space 16, out by the border with the Orion Confederation, don't you??. It's coming to you from 1600ly away

[renormalised (Carl)]

Had any thoughts on the lightsabre idea??