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Old 22-03-2019, 09:42 AM
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These new Stellarvue SVX102mm sound amazing with strehl around .98, wow.
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But is that Strehl noticeable in the use you want the scope for? Even visually, it just becomes a bragging number because neither the average eye nor sky conditions are going to be able to exploit that.

The colour correction (don't forget most Strehl is measured in green from the centre), and collimation are two big factors that can support or degrade actual field Strehl. Anything less than perfect collimation, thanks for the bump UPS, can negate the difference between 0.93 and 0.98. And then you have focus precision, etc etc.

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Old 22-03-2019, 09:00 PM
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That Stellarvue looks good, but it is not cheap for sure.

With dedicated flattener (43mm corrected circle) it would cost about 4700 AUD + shipping cost and import duty + motorising the focuser (Stellarvue recommends Optec = 600 AUD just the motor or about 1000 AUD with controller). Al in all, easily over 6000 AUD landed for a 4" f/7 with 43mm corrected circle and motorised Stelarvue focuser. Makes Esprit 100mm look rather affordable...
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Old 23-03-2019, 09:17 AM
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But is that Strehl noticeable in the use you want the scope for? Even visually, it just becomes a bragging number because neither the average eye nor sky conditions are going to be able to exploit that.

The colour correction (don't forget most Strehl is measured in green from the centre), and collimation are two big factors that can support or degrade actual field Strehl. Anything less than perfect collimation, thanks for the bump UPS, can negate the difference between 0.93 and 0.98. And then you have focus precision, etc etc.
I am not an expert on the intracies of Strehls but it is a normally quoted measure for the sharpness of optics. I presume it also takes into account other aberrations.

For imaging >.95 strehl seems to be a common standard for todays APOs and >.97 only by the very best. >.90 was considered good about 10years ago.

So Strehl number for me rightly or wrongly would be very important as an objective measure of the perfection of the lenses. But yes TEC for example tune their lenses for the best result in green (more green in the eye than other colours and the Bayer matrix has 2 green filters for every 1 of red and blue). But red correction can be weak.

Astrophysics scopes often are optimised for imaging and it shows in their slightly better performance than TEC which are very good but not top of the class.

I have had some very high end refractors and yes you definitely notice it.
An Orion ED80 is a great little entry scope. Put it up against a TEC110 and the differences stand out.

Where the better scopes seem to rise above is in size of the corrected field (some are just too small limiting what camera you can use). The lack of false colour - a big one. I had a Tak FS152 which was the best visual scope I have had but for imaging it tended to give blue rings around bright stars.

Look through an AP140 and the stars suddenly are super tiny pinpoints. Never seen anything like that with any other scope.

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Old 23-03-2019, 09:22 AM
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That Stellarvue looks good, but it is not cheap for sure.

With dedicated flattener (43mm corrected circle) it would cost about 4700 AUD + shipping cost and import duty + motorising the focuser (Stellarvue recommends Optec = 600 AUD just the motor or about 1000 AUD with controller). Al in all, easily over 6000 AUD landed for a 4" f/7 with 43mm corrected circle and motorised Stelarvue focuser. Makes Esprit 100mm look rather affordable...
Yes it becomes too much. Good point. Also the focal length for my use is too long. I want a more FSQ type field of view so F5.5 at 100mm is about right.

Now if you sold me your CFF105 F6 everything would be well in the world!

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Old 23-03-2019, 06:25 PM
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Now if you sold me your CFF105 F6 everything would be well in the world!

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I consider you a good friend Greg, but not this good

But it would certainly be very interesting to see how well does the dedicated in-house made flattener with 82mm of clear aperture performs with KAF-16803.
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Old 23-03-2019, 09:46 PM
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I consider you a good friend Greg, but not this good

But it would certainly be very interesting to see how well does the dedicated in-house made flattener with 82mm of clear aperture performs with KAF-16803.
I doubt it would have any trouble with the 16803 sensor and the flattener.

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