Takahashi MT-160 Review - Page 2

Windston (Dan) · #21 01-03-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

And clearly in the review Logan has exaggerated the cons to diswade tyre kickers from calling and wasting his time.

Clearly the mass of the scope is a major advantage for imaging as he no doubt realises when he examines the superb images aquired with this exceptional scope. ..there is nothing better than high mass to dampen vibration which is always present in lesser scopes.

And Logan presenting cost as a con shows clearly that he realises this scope is not for anyone who puts price first and quality and performance second.

You dont want extra weight in an imaging setup, its not a major advantage, its a disadvantage. Mounts cant handle more hefty scopes without throwing away subs, unless you have a very large mount.

As for the focuser, put on a moonlite, done, not much else to it, and dual speed focusers are a must for imaging as you simply cannot get the precision needed for perfect focus with 1:1.

I dont understand why you were saying that Logan was dishonest in the review, misleading viewers, as he isnt trying to sell the scope to anyone?

Oh well, great review Logan, a regular Casey Neistat.

xelasnave · #22 01-03-2018, 07:56 PM

Dan I dont think I said Logan was dishonest in any way at all.
Where did you get that idea?
I will read my post and make any necessary adjustment if I find there is any basis to your allegation.
However I would sincerely appreciate you pointing out where you consider I have suggested such a thing.
I think if you go thru the classifieds you will be able to answer your question about the scope being for sale, indeed I think if you care to read thru the posts in this thread you may also find your answer.
However let me explain.
My post was somewhat in jest but you remind me of the implications of Poes law....
And as to mass minimising vibration I think the laws of physics may be on my side actually but certainly we all like to minimise the weight on a mount but I think maybe the principle I hint at is correct.
But read the classifieds and all in this thread... perhaps my post two back and hopefully you may be better placed to understand where I was coming from.
Alex

LewisM · #23 01-03-2018, 07:58 PM

It's very easy to fit a Takahashi MEF-3 to this focuser, so why replace it with a Moonlite - a BACKWARDS step IMHO after having used both (and still using a Tak focuser with their MEF unit).

An MEF-3 will set you back $310 Aus from Claude - it takes 5 minutes to install.

xelasnave · #24 01-03-2018, 08:11 PM

Lewis you should buy this scope if Logan will sell it to you.

It is something that you will regret passing up ... these dont come along every day and you know it...and it can only appreciate in value...you cant lose.

Thats only if I cant convince him not to sell.

If he does sell he will regret it...he does not probably understand how it gets later in life.

Alex

xelasnave · #25 01-03-2018, 08:16 PM

And absolutely agree to change the focuser to a Moonlite would be crazy with a capital C.

This scope is a valuable collector piece first of all, its quality is a bonus.

Personally I would not touch the original focuser without really thinking about that for a long time.

Alex

LewisM · #26 01-03-2018, 08:18 PM

Put a Moonlite on a GSO, SW etc by any means. On a classic old MT-160? Sacrilege!

It's why I had a heart attack when Logan considered cutting the rear rubber mirror cover plate last week... Take it out by all means, do NOT alter the original. There has been enough damage and alteration to original by the dubious seller in the first place, so it needs no further subjection to b@stardisation.

OK Logan, I'll buy you a 14" GSO to replace it...

LewisM · #27 01-03-2018, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Lewis you should buy this scope if Logan will sell it to you.

It is something that you will regret passing up ... these dont come along every day and you know it...and it can only appreciate in value...you cant lose.

Thats only if I cant convince him not to sell.

If he does sell he will regret it...he does not probably understand how it gets later in life.

Alex

Logan and I have been down this path a few times already Alex...

I even have a classic old GPD mount sitting here waiting for a classic on top (Hans' FS-78 is getting serious consideration right now)

Logan still has my open offer to restore it for him, including full repaint.

xelasnave · #28 01-03-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lognic04

Again, very well spoken Alex, and i believe you are right, this scope truly is perfection.
All the dissections of my points i completely agree with

May I ask what you wish to upgrade to?

If you do wish to sell may I suggest another vidio with only positive comment.

Sincerely I think there is no need to look at any feature as being negative.
I was a professional salesman.
That means I was actually trained how to sell...eithically.

Rule one is never sell something to someone unless they want it.

But if they want it present all features as positive as honesty allows.

I think I approached your scope both honestly and with a very positive attitude.

I think aside from being open and honest you need to have a buyer not hindered by doubt...more for them than to make the sale.

Most people need help to do what they really want to do...like Lewis he knows he should take this scope off your hands and I will try and help him make a decision that will be in his best intetest☺

Alex

LewisM · #29 01-03-2018, 08:39 PM

I just love restoring things back to their former and rightful glory, and then use them. Restoration is my hobby and passion. I have Dave's FS-78 dewshield here presently restoring the damage for him (respray finally tomorrow).

I'd love the MT-160, but that is entirely Logan's decision. And, no, I am not swapping it for an FSQ of any size

Lognic04 (Logan) · #30 01-03-2018, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LewisM

Put a Moonlite on a GSO, SW etc by any means. On a classic old MT-160? Sacrilege!

It's why I had a heart attack when Logan considered cutting the rear rubber mirror cover plate last week... Take it out by all means, do NOT alter the original. There has been enough damage and alteration to original by the dubious seller in the first place, so it needs no further subjection to b@stardisation.

OK Logan, I'll buy you a 14" GSO to replace it...

Cant mount a 14 inch scope on a CGEM!

LewisM · #31 01-03-2018, 09:00 PM

Doesn't weigh much

OK, 10"

Lognic04 (Logan) · #32 01-03-2018, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xelasnave

May I ask what you wish to upgrade to?

If you do wish to sell may I suggest another vidio with only positive comment.

Sincerely I think there is no need to look at any feature as being negative.
I was a professional salesman.
That means I was actually trained how to sell...eithically.

Rule one is never sell something to someone unless they want it.

But if they want it present all features as positive as honesty allows.

I think I approached your scope both honestly and with a very positive attitude.

I think aside from being open and honest you need to have a buyer not hindered by doubt...more for them than to make the sale.

Most people need help to do what they really want to do...like Lewis he knows he should take this scope off your hands and I will try and help him make a decision that will be in his best intetest☺

Alex

I have been considering an f4 scope, or another takahashi.
I have been considering selling for a while now, but your advice has really changed my mind.
What do you mean in your last sentence?

LewisM · #33 01-03-2018, 09:02 PM

https://www.bintel.com.au/product/bi...4-imaging-ota/

or

https://www.bintel.com.au/product/bi...4-imaging-ota/

xelasnave · #34 01-03-2018, 09:03 PM

Lewis dont destroy the patina☺
Alex

Lognic04 (Logan) · #35 01-03-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisM

https://www.bintel.com.au/product/bi...4-imaging-ota/

or

https://www.bintel.com.au/product/bi...4-imaging-ota/

I could sell the scope for about 2x as much on the classifieds...

xelasnave · #36 01-03-2018, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lognic04

I have been considering an f4 scope, or another takahashi.
I have been considering selling for a while now, but your advice has really changed my mind.
What do you mean in your last sentence?

Well if you decide to sell and Lewis needs help in going ahead I am there for him.
He wants it but might feel he has too many scopes.
I will help him realise that life is too short not to buy everything you fancy.
I will help guide him to stop thinking he does not deserve to have the scope and just do what is right for him and aquire perhaps the best collectable scope out there...
Alex

ab1963 (Andrew) · #37 01-03-2018, 09:14 PM

Why would you sell perfection ?? Not into newts myself but would love to own one of these and would spend the cash for a mount to carry it ,

KEEP IT......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lognic04

I have been considering an f4 scope, or another takahashi.
I have been considering selling for a while now, but your advice has really changed my mind.
What do you mean in your last sentence?

LewisM · #38 01-03-2018, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lognic04

I could sell the scope for about 2x as much on the classifieds...

My original offer from months ago stands

No change, no variation.

Lognic04 (Logan) · #39 01-03-2018, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisM

I'd love the MT-160, but that is entirely Logan's decision. And, no, I am not swapping it for an FSQ of any size

Well, i dont think i am interested in swapping /selling then!

xelasnave · #40 01-03-2018, 09:21 PM

And Logan as I think we can learn from many folk around here...you can never have too many scopes.

You are probably familar with the concept of goal setting but let me refine it for you.
Decide what you want.
Set a realist time table and start saving...it does not matter when but if you set a time you can break it down into how much to set aside each week...
Then visualise enjoying your goal.
Put up some photos to help the visualisation.
The more specific you make you goal the better...and in the mean time enjoy what you have.
Your images are impressive so what you have to live with is not too bad.
The dew thing hits most of us in some way...the main reason I backed off was dew because I experienced a very wet period and it was unmanagable really.
But when the weather improved unfortunately I had to go to Sydney each month abd other things got in the way.

And a hint.
Success is seen by most folk as dollars...its not..it is how you enjoy what you have and avoid comparing yourself and your possesions with others.
Plan for the future but enjoy what you have today.
Alex