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Old 30-08-2018, 05:37 PM
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Have a look at the Sony A7s and a really good cheap camera for astro that doesn't have to be modded is the Fuji XT-1

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That's a very good point. Some (not sure if it's most?) of the Fuji APS-c sensors have a very strong Ha transmission (~43% for the X-Pro1 / X-E1 - see attached graph), which is considerably higher than the typical Canon, Nikon, Sony etc... sensors, typically in the 18 to 25% range, except for their specialist astro models like the older Canon 20Da or Nikon D810a. That is approximately double the transmission in Ha, hence allowing for a reduced Ha exposure time or lower noise for comparable exposure, all else being equal.

The only issue with some of the earlier Fuji APS-c cameras is their lack of adequate tethered USB control. That's not the case for all their models and some new software has been developed, which is backwards compatible, for certain nominated models, and maybe if you chance it, may even be OK with some of other non-designated models - Not sure.

Then of course there are all of the other excellent choices: Sony, Nikon and the later Canons (say 5Div and 6D, etc..), etc.., depending on your existing lens collection, or even in spite of it, if you decide to jump ship.

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Old 30-08-2018, 06:21 PM
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Hmmm,
That’s interesting....
How do they balance the colour in “normal” images????
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Hmmm,
That’s interesting....
How do they balance the colour in “normal” images????
Good question Ken. I wondered the same thing myself and compared web based test images on the Fuji XE1/ Xpro versus other cameras and didn't see that much of a difference.

Then again perhaps in ordinary (terrestrial) photography there is not that much in the way of Hydrogen alpha present as such a narrow spike as there is with astrophotography, so its absence or presence may be less obvious then say in astro, unless you're looking at 650 odd nm lasers here on earth that is . Even if the wavelengths corresponding to Ha wavelengths are present as part of a broader band source, as they are in say an incadescent lamp, then an increase in transmission over such a comparatively narrow band may not be that noticeble - hidden amongst the all the orange/red as it were. Our eyes are less sensitive to light in this region, so whilst it may visually fool us, this approx 1 stop difference should not fool the sensor

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We really need to see at transmission curve for the camera........
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Old 31-08-2018, 01:51 PM
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We really need to see at transmission curve for the camera........
Hi Ken,

Yes I agree. I posted the transmission curve for the Fuji X-Pro1 / X-E1 in my earlier post above. What I don't recall is whether this was for the filter only or the camera system.

EDIT: I just looked for the details - It was for the internal filter only, not the whole camera system, but it's still illustrative of the difference between the 2 Fuji Cameras mentioned (other Fuji models?) and the other makes and models listed, albeit a few models/years back see....
https://kolarivision.com/articles/in...-transmission/

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Ahhh, missed that...
I can't find the data curve I was looking for but the attached for the 10D and 20D show about 27% transmission for Ha (10D) whereas the Fuji is about 35%....
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Ahhh, missed that...
I can't find the data curve I was looking for but the attached for the 10D and 20D show about 27% transmission for Ha (10D) whereas the Fuji is about 35%....
I make it about 43%, but what's a few %

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I'm a little late getting onto this thread but thought I would post the link below which has the Canon 80D as one of two recommended "high-end" DSLR's (the other was the Nikon 810a).

So going back to thread #1, I thought you made a wise choice

http://www.astropix.com/html/i_astrop/cameras.html
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