Different world...

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Well my observation is the left are so obsessed with Trump and his failings they are indulging in running around in circles drubbing with hate when surely it would be best to ignore the personality of Trump and focus on offering policies ready for the next election.
Trump loves attention, he loves being outrageous and yet the left feed him by taking him seriously.
Why get upset by his tweets...
Focus on asking why he is not building the wall, why he is not coming good on the promises to his people ...there is no point preaching to the converted the lefts strategy should be causing his follows to reject him...but the way its going the left will be flat footed come by he next election.
All they have to do is drive a wedge between Trump and the folk who supported him because of some promise.
I think the wall is crazy but every day I would be asking when do we get our wall.
Alex

If folk are truly Left why would they be concerned about the next capitalist election? Aren't they supposed to be overthrowing capitalism, not participating in it? A real socialist government could never be elected in the USA (or Aust) anyway. Just look at how they nobbled that light pink Sanders.

Critically evaluate.

[Astrophe (John)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I read your post again and Wavy's following post.
I missed the "vibe" as you called it.

Are you a philosoper and disliked his negative reference to the irrelevance of philosophy as a general proposition, I wonder.

I could not then see what fired you up and after reading both posts again fail to see the vibe you say you felt...

And I liked you post and would have pushed a like button if available.

I fail to see why you think Wavy was being too smart by half.

He was as I read it proclaiming the value of scientific method which arguably is the best thing we as humans have going for us.

Without the scientific method how can we crawl out of the superstition that in the past governed the way we observed the world.

Our discussion re Popper to my mind and at least for those of us who refreshed in our minds as to what he describes as science and what he said only has Wavy off slightly on one point , that science does not proclaim truth as such. ...but it certainly takes us very close to understanding how the world works with a clarity such that a layman would proclaim that indeed it shows us the truth.
Science remains humble and does not make that claim but let's face it science is accurate and exact.

Anyways I remain mystified what was this vibe you responsed to...

And what prompted you to suggest I apply to be a mod I don't get it.

I did not quote rules at you or express any interest in being a mod..you seem to have had another vibe, well that vibe did not serve you well..and to be clear I am not interested in such a job.

I asked what got you going is all so can you be specific and tell me what you decided to read between the lines.

Wavy impresses me as a man who clearly says what he means and has not ever left me with an impression that he is having a dig or holding back or weaving in a hidden meaning to his post.

Best wishes
Alex

Alex, you have exhausted me....I couldn't possibly respond to everything in that post of yours, only to say that my attempt at humour appears to have escaped you. No worries, I enjoy reading your contributions and I was giving you a gentle ribbing, mate. No nastiness intended....Cheers for now, John.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by dbowie

Alex Im not trying to be overly judgemental and please dont take this the wrong way, I welcome your input as the thread evolves and with respect to your choices and opinions firstly you say you don't wish to comment on any of the subjects I have presented and then you do, namely feminism, Trump and the politics of both....

My apologies I missed this post.
They say a woman is entitled to change her mind so I claim equal opportunity.

I was attempting to contribute in a more meaningful way which I had hoped would be more in line with the thrust of your thread.

Moreover let the confusion wipe away any notion you may have of me pretending to be wise.

Hopefully you will also find this evidence that I am not that smart.

I must say I am enjoying this thread but suspect you are winding me up.
I don't mind.
I just don't want to make you upset.

I visit another forum (supposedly a science forum) where they discuss all sorts of things and, unfortunately politics in the USA.

I am slightly concerned that politics, at least the side I am exposed to, just goes on and on, about Trumps bad behaviour , knowing rather believing he has them running around in circles such that effective opposition seems absent.

I don't like to see the office of president degraded and if that means saying the president is wonderful ( when he is not) in order to preserve respect for the office I don't care...I don't particularly like Malcolm but out of respect for the office I would never indulge in a personal attack on the man as it in a way to do so takes away from the respect of the office.

Again sorry I missed this.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by dbowie

Quote: Alex

The reason the moderators often let us bend the rules is probably because discussion is usually friendly. Any hint of a potential fight see the thread removed.

I have spectated and been involved in a few inflamed topics and have yet to see intervention by the moderators in any way other than to let the thread resolve, I think they trust that we can play well together which makes them good moderators and this a good forum...

Sorry I missed this also.

The moderators are champion here.

Some of my threads disappear and I have been participating in threads that disappear.

Never worries me or upsets me I am always happy with their call.

I enjoy the lack of fighting for fighting sake and enjoy not having to put up with profanity.

I like people to be kind and nice.

I don't like personal attacks as argument suffers.
A personal attack on me is such a waste of time, I don't care and usually feel.they leave so many of my bad points out.

I post to remind folk there are different folk like me running around unsupervised

And I have some wonderful news.
I can now type with the index.finger.of my right hand so my post can now be less cut down.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

If folk are truly Left why would they be concerned about the next capitalist election? Aren't they supposed to be overthrowing capitalism, not participating in it? A real socialist government could never be elected in the USA (or Aust) anyway. Just look at how they nobbled that light pink Sanders.

Critically evaluate.

Yes I am wrong....and that means I agree with what you say.

I use "the left" wrongly when referring to the Democrats...but others do this also I picked it up from an American site.

Proper left is of course Communism where control comes from revolution... If no revolution I think strictly. it can only be socialist.

But I am so out of depth, as with many things, with politics and cynically comment upon things I have little data on.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by Astrophe

Alex, you have exhausted me....I couldn't possibly respond to everything in that post of yours, only to say that my attempt at humour appears to have escaped you. No worries, I enjoy reading your contributions and I was giving you a gentle ribbing, mate. No nastiness intended....Cheers for now, John.

My.attempts at humour often if not always seem to be missed.

Anyways the main thing is I have worn you to a frazzle and that is all that counts...
This is.an attempt at humour. ...so having explained that you must reply with.a.roll on floor.smiley...
No you don't have to....

When a Real Estate agent I got many listings because the house owner realised that was the only thing to do to get me to shut up.

Well I bet the mods have given up reading this thread so we can get down to a nice political discussion...well you guys can as I said outta my depth.

Alex

[Astrophe (John)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

If folk are truly Left why would they be concerned about the next capitalist election? Aren't they supposed to be overthrowing capitalism, not participating in it? A real socialist government could never be elected in the USA (or Aust) anyway. Just look at how they nobbled that light pink Sanders.

Critically evaluate.

There are as many definitions of socialism, as there are socialists. It's a fairly meaningless term. The big flaw with all forms of socialism, is that they take no cognizance of human nature, which is basically selfish and self-centered. With all of its faults (and they are many), at least capitalism uses human selfishness to constructive ends...well by and large it does. The Western liberal capitalist/pluralist state, has given us the highest standard of living ever achieved in human history. State socialism, is really a dead letter.

[Tropo-Bob (Bob)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

...I post to remind folk there are different folk like me running around unsupervised...


Alex

Wonderful self-deprecating humour in the true Aussie style

[dbowie (Brenton)]

So 1020 views and this thread seems to have come to the end of its natural life. As I headlined in my Original Post it wasn't my intention to necessarily make a particular political point or debate the social landscape, it was to point out how although I was aware of information not being disseminated through normal everyday media channels I was amazed at the actual amount and obvious bias. I feel it has balanced my view of the world rather than defined my world views. Im sure most people were already aware of this or just not concerned but my eyes were opened for the cost of a $60 PM Optus NBN plan, hopefully I won't be branded an Alt Social Justice Warrior or somesuch, thnx...

[xelasnave]

Its Bank Holiday so maybe that explains the lull.
Off topic but try a search on utube for " crazy inventions" or " home made inventions " I suggest that may be an eye opener for you.
The different machines Russians come up with to cut firewood you need to see to believe. Peeling coconuts another.
Alex

[dbowie (Brenton)]

Sry, Nothin to see here folks..haha

[toc (Tim)]

I also like to watch many different views. Even Alex jones for a laugh 😂. Sagon of Akkad, TLDR, Joe Rogan, are good, and I also quite like Rebecca Watson, Lacy Green, Kraut and Tea, Creationist Cat.

[dbowie (Brenton)]

Yes they take their entertaining shenanigans very seriously, how Gavin McInnes is still walking puzzles me haha, I kinda keep getting stuck at canadian hotty Lauren Southern, Izzat wrong, or "Right"