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Old 03-05-2017, 12:59 AM
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The Southern Crab Nebula

Known as Hen 2-104 or The Southern Crab (hopefully the reason for its name is pretty obvious and much more fitting than for its northern cousin in Taurus?) this Symbiotic Star system is a relatively recently identified object in Centaurus, with its true nature only revealed as recently as 1989 in comparatively primitive B&W images taken with the 2.2m telescope at La Silla at ESO. More recently in 1999 the Hubble Space Telecope released a very famous and highly detailed image of it which put it well and truly on my all time favourite HST images list.

This target was suggested to me by my mate Sakib Rasool (a man with a veritable mine field of cool object suggestions, especially planetary nebulae, in his archives!) and given my existing fascination with the object, I decided to have a crack. I could find no amateur images of it on line.

Of course, until recently I never expected to be able to do such a tiny faint object justice, given the faintest furthest most extensions of the nebula measure just 80" X 40" so it would make it another genuine challenge for my equipment and site conditions.... buuuut aaas usual and looking to do more than the Ol' Eta Carina Nebula these days my goal was to never less try and reveal as much of the outer hourglass structure and fine fiery filamentary details as possible and hopefully unearth the tiny inner 10" hourglass structure from the bright glow of the central star and that looked so cool in the Hubble image!

As seems to be a relatively regular occurrence, my Wallaroo skies were pretty cooperative in my endeavour and delivered some nice seeing over 3 full and rather cool, clear nights in April, with one really excellent steady night. So with the longer nights and my now rather robot like efficient manual operation , I managed to take the longest ever exposure I have done with the AG12 astrograph, at nearly 22hrs

I am very happy with the result from an F3.8 1120mm FL 12" scope on this tiny but intriguing and never imaged object

The Southern Crab 150% close in crop

Hubble comparison I got the tiny inner hourglass rings!! yaaay

Full 38' X 30' Frame just to show how small this damn thing is!

The nature of this Symbiotic system is well documented in this excellent paper

A more outreach friendly description of the object is available HERE

Enjoy

EDIT: Ok, just discovered that the CHART 32 team did a lovely one HERE...but with a 1m class pro level scope at a pro observatory site, with sub arc sec seeing, they are not reeeally amateurs like the rest of us amateurs


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Old 03-05-2017, 02:25 AM
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Strewth Mike, that's some impressive shootin' ! Glad you could tear yourself away from Eta Carina for long enough.

You must get great satisfaction pushing the boundaries and getting results like that. Congratulations.
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Old 03-05-2017, 04:33 AM
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Wow Mike! Love your work. It's soo inspiring to see these rarely imaged objects and i recon you've got a cracker right there. Such an interesting object too... looks like there was a massive explosion right there
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Wow, Mike. Extraordinary!!!!

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Old 03-05-2017, 07:58 AM
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Beautiful, technically spectacular, inspiring, and informative.

Read the long article, and kinda got the idea. Went off to read about why Mira variables pulsate. Again, kinda got the idea, but ended up confused on the details.



Wonderful.
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:40 AM
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Impressive. And I can see why it's never imaged too - it requires ticking quite a few boxes to achieve. Nice.
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:43 AM
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Exceptional job Mike!!
Will have to have a look at the paper when I'm not at work on my phone
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Congratulations Mike imaging a very rare object and also for the 22 hours exposure time. I notice you used every filter on the object, did SII reveal anything useful?

I read the white paper but the outreach version was easier on my brain.

Any chance of telling us the RA and DEC coordinates for future ref, I may have a go one day when I get my 14 inch scope up and running.

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Old 03-05-2017, 09:27 AM
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Congrats Mike, what an effort and the result is just spectacular.
Just imagine what an AO can do to enhance the details...
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Wow.. what an interesting target, and you've done it very well. Good work!
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Nice one Mike. I somehow had the feeling that you had done this before. Must have dreamed it.

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Old 03-05-2017, 11:44 AM
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Hi Mike,
That is an awesome result for such a small creature!!
What a great documentation of the object - this is one I have never seen before.

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Wow Mike, this is seriously impressive. Great presentation of an unusual and striking object.
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That's a superb effort Mike.
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Very cool, Mike!

I'm also chasing one of Sakib's targets using the scope at SRO but this one is just really faint, not incredibly tiny
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Extreme imaging. Great result for your efforts.

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Strewth Mike, that's some impressive shootin' ! Glad you could tear yourself away from Eta Carina for long enough.

You must get great satisfaction pushing the boundaries and getting results like that. Congratulations.
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Wow Mike! Love your work. It's soo inspiring to see these rarely imaged objects and i recon you've got a cracker right there. Such an interesting object too... looks like there was a massive explosion right there
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Wow, Mike. Extraordinary!!!!

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Thanks so much guys, really glad you got a little bit of a kick out of it, we all (including me) ooh and aah at and dream of great shots of the more well known objects but sometimes hammering an obscure target is not only rewarding but can turn up or reveal some interesting things

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Beautiful, technically spectacular, inspiring, and informative.

Read the long article, and kinda got the idea. Went off to read about why Mira variables pulsate. Again, kinda got the idea, but ended up confused on the details.



Wonderful.
Haaaalleluiiiiah brother and sister, I feeeeel the joy The thing is, there are just sooo many of these intriguing blighters across the sky and available during all seasons too...love picking on a few here and there

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Impressive. And I can see why it's never imaged too - it requires ticking quite a few boxes to achieve. Nice.
It is a challenge to do these sort of targets but I have developed faith in my site conditions now and while I do often doubt it when I first look at the raw data sometimes , I am learning to trust that my processing abilities, amassed over nearly 4 decades of doing this, can make something of what can initially look rather flimsy

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Exceptional job Mike!!
Will have to have a look at the paper when I'm not at work on my phone
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Congratulations Mike imaging a very rare object and also for the 22 hours exposure time. I notice you used every filter on the object, did SII reveal anything useful?

I read the white paper but the outreach version was easier on my brain.

Any chance of telling us the RA and DEC coordinates for future ref, I may have a go one day when I get my 14 inch scope up and running.

Cheers
Bill
Here ya go: 14h 11' 52.06" -51deg 26' 24"

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Congrats Mike, what an effort and the result is just spectacular.
Just imagine what an AO can do to enhance the details...
Bo
Cheers Bo

Not sure an SX AO would make a lot of difference I have heard mixed reports on its effectiveness plus, see a typical guide graph I get below

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Wow.. what an interesting target, and you've done it very well. Good work!
Cheers Dylan

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Nice one Mike. I somehow had the feeling that you had done this before. Must have dreamed it.

Cheers

Steve
Perhaps you are recalling R Aquarii or THIS one

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Hi Mike,
That is an awesome result for such a small creature!!
What a great documentation of the object - this is one I have never seen before.

Thanks,
Tim
Glad you liked it Tmbo

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Wow Mike, this is seriously impressive. Great presentation of an unusual and striking object.
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That's a superb effort Mike.
Thanks Jerome and Derek

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Very cool, Mike!

I'm also chasing one of Sakib's targets using the scope at SRO but this one is just really faint, not incredibly tiny
Sakib is a great guy, although he often attempts to temp me to hammer one of his suspected PN halo's, he also suggests many cool off the beaten track targets too
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Old 03-05-2017, 03:51 PM
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Extreme imaging. Great result for your efforts.

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Cheers H, I think so too

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Thatguide graph is worth drooling over Mike
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Thatguide graph is worth drooling over Mike
Yeah, nothing like seeing a guide star that is doing little more than quivering around the centroid...

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