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Old 13-01-2020, 07:49 PM
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AZEQ6 & EQMod

Okay, extremely basic question here...

So, I've just acquired an AZEQ6 mount secondhand & it has come with an EQMod (EQDirect?) cable of the EQDIRECT-USB-RJ-3.3V variety..

Looking at the EQMod page, am I correct that this cable incorporates the EQDirect module that they talk about.. ?

So... am I right in thinking that basically if I want to use EQMod for this mount (I've never owned a SW mount before) I download all the software/drivers from the EQ Mod page, link up my planetarium software (Stellarium) & then connect the USB end to my computer & the RJ45 end to the mount?

I assume I can use a USB to USB extension cable between the computer & the EQDirect cable if I want to extend the length.. (it's quite short).. Is this correct?

Not sure yet if I want to go this route; trying to minimise hardware footprint rather than increase it to be honest.. hence why I have a SW Synguider (although, I haven't got guiding yet..)

Anything else I need to know?
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Old 13-01-2020, 08:25 PM
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Here’s a procedure for EQMOD , StellariumScope and Stellarium I put together a couple of years ago for Skywatcher mounts
I’ve been using it without glitch since then on both my HEQ5 and EQ6-R mounts

EQMOD and Stellarium Set Up EQMOD and Stellarium
(Using Stellarium Scope as the interface platform)
Telescope Control for Synta mounts eg: Skywatcher HEQ5, EQ6 and EQ6-R mounts
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Please find below and attached documentation to get you up and running with EQMOD telescope control
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Note 1: If your using a DSLR, I strongly recommend you buy and download Backyard EOS ( Classic Edition ) from O’Telescope Canada as it will allow easy use of EQMOD and more importantly more accuracy with Polar Alignment, Star Alignment and Goto ( you can control everything from your laptop position – the only time I get up of my butt is to check location of the first alignment star in my finder scope to bring it into view on BYEOS and adjust the AZ and Alt bolts on my mount for PA ) You can also use Cartes Du Ceil planetarium software or any other that supports EQMOD but I prefer Stellarium as its extremely good and easy to use and navigate
Note 2: The information I provide is based on “my set up” using my HP Omen Laptop PC running Windows 10 Home version ( Not to sure about the set up if your using a MAC ?? )
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Software Required
Ascom ( ascom-standards.org )** Ascom Platform 6.4SP1* latest *( Free )
EQMOD (eq-mod.sourceforge.net )* Eqmod version dated 14/5/18 *( Free )
Stellarium Scope ( welshdragoncomputing.ca ) latest release dated 26/12/16* ( Free )
Stellarium* (stellarium.org )* version 0.18.2* ( Free )
Note : Above software versions may have been upgraded since I wrote this procedure always use the latest
Shoestring Astronomy Virtual Com Port ( VCP driver for FTDI chip )* for your Bintel ( Shoestring Astronomy) USB2EQ5 cable ( www.shoestringastronomy.com ) This is the most important item and allows your Laptop to find and connect to the mount .Hopefully your operating system is on the list for the VCP driver ( Go to The Shoestring Astronomy Store then downloads then Virtual Com port drivers for USB2EQ5 ( VCP Driver for FTDI devices ) your USB2EQ5 cable has a FTDI device in the USB end
If your using a Canon DSLR, Backyard EOS for Canon Cameras ( www.otelescope.com ) latest version* ( Costs about $65 + exchange rate etc.. *they send you licence to install within 24 hours )
Canon driver for your Canon EOS camera ?? If your Camera wont connect, BYEOS can tell how to install driver etc..( as long as your camera was manufactured after 2007 it should be OK )
Cables Required
Mount ( Synscan handcontoller port ) to Laptop – USB2EQ5 cable ( available from Bintel ) you will also need a 2m or 3m USB2 extension cable as the USB2EQ5 cable is only 1.8m long
If using a DSLR ( DSLR to Laptop ) 5m USB2 ( A to Mini B 5 pin ) *cable
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Synscan Polar Alignment and 2 Star Alignment
As I have no view of SCP at both my Sydney and South coast locations so I still use the hand controller to perform 2 star alignments and the Synscan polar alignment routine ( after 2 or 3 iterations I can get down below 15 arc sec error which is pretty good. This is because I use BYEOS, defocus the star into a donut and set my polar alignment tool in BYEOS with the exact cross hair width and nail the star to perfect centre each time ) Process takes me between 15 and 30 minutes depends on seeing conditions.
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EQMOD Set Up and Goto Procedure
Once Software is down loaded and drivers are established here is the basic procedure* -
1/ Ensure you set up and run Stellarium a couple of times ( this creates the initialization files to allow the systems to work )
2/ Park Scope, switch off mount and disconnect Synscan hand controller ( if you still use Synscan HC *to Star align and Polar align )
3/ Connect the USB2EQ5 cable RJ45 plug end into hand controller port on mount then plug the other end which is USB into a 2 meter long USB2 extension cable , then connect this to your USB port on your laptop
4/ Switch on your mount ( Very important – I sometimes forget and wonder why my Com port wont connect )
5/ Check USB serial cable virtual com port (VCP) appears in Device Manager of your Laptop under Ports ( Com and LPT )
6/ Open Stellarium Scope and click on “Select Mount” button. This launches the Ascom Telescope Chooser Box window ( move the Stellarium Scope window over to the right hand side )
7/ Select EQMOD Ascom EQ5/6 then click “Properties” and then “OK” the *Ascom Set Up window now appears
8/ In the Ascom Set Up window enter your location data in the “Site Location” section ( this must exactly correspond to the data entered in the Stellarium *location window )
9/ In the Ascom Set Up window ensure “Mount Type” is Synta EQ
10/ In the Ascom Set Up Window ensure EQMOD Port details are – Time out 1000 , Retry 2 , Baud 9600
11/ In the Ascom Set Up Window leave all other settings as default
12/ In the Ascom Set Up Window click on the Port Button ( Binocular icon ) if port and driver are located , the word “Found” appears and the Com port number ( same as com port number in Device Manager in Laptop ) appears in the red box
13/ In the Ascom Set Up Window click “OK” at bottom
14/ In the Stellarium Scope window click the “connect” *box button and the EQMOD HEQ5/6 window will be launched. Minimize Stellarium Scope but do not close it otherwise you will close EQMOD
15/ In the EQMOD HEQ5/6 window click on the “Spanner’ icon to expand the whole EQMOD window and then check the “Site Information” section again to ensure it corresponds with the Ascom Set Up window and Stellarium location window
16/ In the EQMOD HEQ5/6 window Alignment/Sync section ensure User Interface is set to *“Append on Sync” , Alignment Behaviour is set to “ 3 Point + Nearest Point” , Point Filter set to “All” and 3 point Selection is set to “Best Centre” All other settings are default
17/ Click on the “spanner” icon again which minimises and just leaves the smaller EQMOD control pad window ready to use the slew control buttons, tracking and parking the mount
18/ Maximise Stellarium Scope which should read at the bottom “ Scope Connected ” then minimise it again for convenience but don’t close it.
19/ Open Stellarium and your ready to use the Goto functions via your laptop keyboard which is CTRL 1 for slewing , CTRL 3 for Sync and CTRL 5 for cancel
Note : For better Goto accuracy use EQMOD, Stellarium and BYEOS *
In Stellarium use at least 3 or 4 sync points ( Stars ) surrounding and in the vicinity of your intended imaging target ( you don’t have to be really close , I’ve used stars 30 to 40 deg away and its works fine but as close as you can )
Click on the 1st sync point star, press CTRL 1 on keyboard ,mount will slew to that star but not exactly centred, centre your star using EQMOD slew control buttons and view in BYEOS then hit CTRL 3 on keyboard. Star will be re centred automatically and a sync point count will appear in the EQMOD window. Note: you may have to minimise the EQMOD control pad window first and then press CTRL 3 to allow the sync function to work properly.
Repeat process for another 2 or 3 sync point stars surrounding the vicinity of your intended imaging target, then click on your intended target , the Goto accuracy should be very good if not bang on target
The above seems like a long winded procedure but after a while you get quicker and quicker ( much quicker and more accurate than your hand controller could ever achieve) The more sync points you use the more accuracy you achieve but I have found 3 or 4 to be enough ( The hand controller can only use 2 or 3 stars for limited accuracy , where as EQMOD can use 3, 6, 10 , 20 or more syn point stars with more sophisticated algorithms in a triangulation or trapezium format.
I have EQMOD control pad window open, Stellarium window open and BYEOS window open ( Stellarium Scope is always open and minimised ) and I minimise between Stellarium scope and BYEOS to perform the Goto* as my Laptop has only a 15.6” screen
I would recommend you set up and play around with Stellarium for a while and get use to it before jumping straight into EQMOD ( I used it to navigate the night sky for a year or so *before jumping into EQMOD )
Stellarium Time Settings (version 0.18.2 )
Found in Chapter 4 ( The User Interface ) of the Stellarium User Manual
Setting Your Location in “Location Window”
Eastern Standard Time
Time Zone should be UTC+10
Tick Custom Time Zone
Untick enable daylight saving time
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Daylight Saving Time
Time Zone should be UTC+11
Tick Custom Time Zone
Tick enable Daylight saving time
Main Screen “ Configuration” Spanner icon
Click on “Time”
In Start up date and time click on bullseye System date and time
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Stellarium Location Setting
Refer Chapter 4.2
You can set multiple locations as your default ( I have 2 set up , so I just click on either location in the huge alphabetical world list and the location info is all set up for me
For more information read the EQMOD Project website, Stellarium Scope website and Stellarium website
Hope this gives you a good head start on this great software and telescope control
Good luck and enjoy
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Old 13-01-2020, 10:27 PM
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Thanks Martin,

I have a couple of questions for you if I may:

1. Sounds like I already have the cable required, just a different version of that's all... I think the one I have comes from Sidereal Trading but, a look at the EQMod site seems to confirm this is the correct cable so (albeit only 3ft long vs 6ft), appears to be all good there; would you agree?

2. What is the maximum length USB to USB extension cable that can be used? I note you mention a 2m cable, can you get / use a longer one?

I'll look into the other software (ie: not the EQMod stuff as that's free).. I need to see this thing working initially in visual mode first to decide if I want to go this route for imageing or kinda stick with just the camera doing it's thing off an intervalometer...

I understand the benefits of switching to BYEOS & the additional functions & refinements... just not sure if I want to go there just yet...

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Old 14-01-2020, 07:29 AM
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1/ looked at Sidereal Trading site and could not find your cable, so cant answer whether it’s an EQ Direct cable or not
2/ maximum USB cable length ( with USB extension) is 5m , any longer say 6 or 7m you may have problems

All software is free except for BYEOS and it’s only about $75 from memory
IMHO if your going down the path of EQMOD mount control with a planetarium like Stellarium at your laptop near the mount then BYEOS or other acquisition software is a must.BYEOS is a dream to use , I use it to polar alignment as well
I recently bought an JMI autofocuser so now I don’t even touch the mount after my PA is done , everything at the laptop 2m away , I bought a cheap $15 second hand adj drum stool to sit on which is ideal

Anyway try the Siderial trading cable but keep your total length as close to 5m as possible
Good luck !!
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Old 14-01-2020, 08:00 AM
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I found it
The EQ Direct cable you need from Sidereal trading is the EQDIRECT-USB- RJ-5V
See photo
Or the one I described from Bintel

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Old 14-01-2020, 08:36 AM
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Hi Martin,

I don't have the AZ-EQ6 Pro...

I have this cable...

https://www.siderealtrading.com.au/p...ct-usb-rj-33v/
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Carlton,
You probably have the AZ-EQ6 GT...
Yes, that looks like the correct EQDir cable.

I use EQMod with my older NEQ6Pro with Cartes du Ciel (CdC), works well for me.
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Thanks Ken,

that's what I was after..

Yes, it is the GT... probably should have stated that from the get go...

I didn't want to risk plugging stuff in & blowing something up... I'm neck deep in it with my wife for the purchase of the mount... last thing I needed was to screw that up...

Now, safe in that knowledge, I will have a play with it using a short USB extension cord to see what it does before I decide if I'm going to incorporate it into my imageing... if I go that route & end up using my computer to control the mount then it will make absolute sense to move image capture onto my computer too...

Man, this whole AP thing is such a rabbit hole...

All I ever wanted to do was capture what I could see at the EP to share with friends... but, it's addictive...
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Once you go computer control you wont look back
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Old 14-01-2020, 09:35 AM
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Shoosh....

Don't encourage me.... please...
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Old 14-01-2020, 09:47 AM
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I'd suggest looking into setting up plate solving as well - it makes slewing to targets an absolute breeze - once I'm polar aligned I can get any target centered just about perfectly in my frame in a matter of seconds.

I currently use APT for capture, but it also helps me with flats, plate solving, focus, camera control. I suggest checking out if it might be for you.
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Old 14-01-2020, 10:38 AM
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Ken knows EQMOD extremely well , he helped me set up in 2018
If your using EQMOD for Goto and tracking , there is no need to plate solve as EQMOD Goto on your planetarium is very accurate ( Stellarium or Cartes Du Ceil )
Sync 3 stars around your intended target and you end up framed up extremely close , just a tweak here and there
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I'd suggest looking into setting up plate solving as well - it makes slewing to targets an absolute breeze - once I'm polar aligned I can get any target centered just about perfectly in my frame in a matter of seconds.

I currently use APT for capture, but it also helps me with flats, plate solving, focus, camera control. I suggest checking out if it might be for you.
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Ken knows EQMOD extremely well , he helped me set up in 2018
If your using EQMOD for Goto and tracking , there is no need to plate solve as EQMOD Goto on your planetarium is very accurate ( Stellarium or Cartes Du Ceil )
Sync 3 stars around your intended target and you end up framed up extremely close , just a tweak here and there
Cheers
Thankyou both... I appear to be staring into an abyss rather than a rabbit hole...

I will look at all these options & figure out if I will just keep it all simple using the handset or go deeper with EQ Mod & some form of capture software... I see BYEOS has a trial... might look at that once I am back up & running.. which won't be til at least Feb (recovery from surgery related) or later (wet season related)...

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