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Old 23-01-2021, 11:15 AM
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NGC2997 - First NB LRGB Ha O2

The difference between RGB from the OSC and using NB produces a very different result.

Open to debate which is the better.

NB is a LOT more work, that's for sure.

I suppose 'horses for courses'...

Anyway image stats are:

RGB each 26 of 5min subs.
Lum 36 of 5 min subs.
Ha 24 of 5min subs
O2 24 of 5 min subs. (The O2 contribution did FA)

Total integration time 13.5 hrs.

Using the high rez, fuzzy count 39!

Hints and criticism most welcome, NB is a new learning curve for me.

Thanks for looking.
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Old 23-01-2021, 11:52 AM
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You're definitely getting there Peter! Well done!

Yeah, never waste your time doing OIII on galaxy shots. Even Ha can have little effect unless there's a lot of HII emission going on. Even then, only apply Ha to the galaxy (limiting to the emission elements if you can) and not to the whole frame, so your stars retain RGB colour.

Also think about doing a bit of deconvolution to reduce star bloat and add detail. Careful though, it's easy to overdo decon.
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Old 23-01-2021, 12:35 PM
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Nice image but the red halos around the stars is a problem. Did that come from the combining the Ha with the RGB?

As Marcus pointed out the Ha is going to damage the stars with little gain. There is a little bit of Ha in 2997 but not a lot.

Overall an excellent image that you can build future images on.

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Old 23-01-2021, 02:26 PM
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You're definitely getting there Peter! Well done!

Yeah, never waste your time doing OIII on galaxy shots. Even Ha can have little effect unless there's a lot of HII emission going on. Even then, only apply Ha to the galaxy (limiting to the emission elements if you can) and not to the whole frame, so your stars retain RGB colour.

Also think about doing a bit of deconvolution to reduce star bloat and add detail. Careful though, it's easy to overdo decon.
Thanks Marcus, just the sort of info I need, will do as you suggest.


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Nice image but the red halos around the stars is a problem. Did that come from the combining the Ha with the RGB?

As Marcus pointed out the Ha is going to damage the stars with little gain. There is a little bit of Ha in 2997 but not a lot.

Overall an excellent image that you can build future images on.

Greg.
Thankyou Greg.

It looks like the Ha did stuff up the stars. Will have to start the processing all over again.
I can't beleive just how much time it takes, not to mention keeping track of what's what...


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Thanks Trev, encouragement goes a long way
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Old 23-01-2021, 06:50 PM
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Not a bad galaxy shot that Peter It's a great spiral too.

It can be worthwhile hitting OIII on a few of the closest galaxies, obviously LMC/SMC but also Barnards galaxy and NGC 300 and M101 also come to mind but generally you will get nothing much to nil, especially beyond our local group. Ha on the other hand, well it can be collected quite successfully from lots of galaxies and used to enhance the HII regions, out to perhaps around 60 Million light years or so..? After that the Ha line gets red shifted out of most narrowband filters anyway so using them will do nothing.

LHaRGB combo's are worth trying on many galaxies

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Old 24-01-2021, 02:34 PM
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Not a bad galaxy shot that Peter It's a great spiral too.

It can be worthwhile hitting OIII on a few of the closest galaxies, obviously LMC/SMC but also Barnards galaxy and NGC 300 and M101 also come to mind but generally you will get nothing much to nil, especially beyond our local group. Ha on the other hand, well it can be collected quite successfully from lots of galaxies and used to enhance the HII regions, out to perhaps around 60 Million light years or so..? After that the Ha line gets red shifted out of most narrowband filters anyway so using them will do nothing.

LHaRGB combo's are worth trying on many galaxies

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Most interesting info Mike.

I had a crack at NGC300 and your right, there were many nebulas? rich in OIII.

As an aside, yesterday NGC2997 was image of the day at Astrobin.
It made my attempt look very pale indeed.

However to be fare, this chap was using a RDK700 (scope the size of a small car).
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RePro

Thanks to all who offered advice.

I started the processing from the beginning, and as much as I could, took the advice onboard.

Pixelmath was the only way I could isolate the Ha to the galaxy.

Spent hours on deconvolution and learnt heaps along the way.

I am very happy about the result and cant wait for the sky to clear again.

Now all I need is a bigger scope

Thanks once again.
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Really nice image ... data is the most important thing.
700mm give incredible data. You must be proud of your.
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