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Old 20-05-2015, 08:26 PM
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Nebula hunting.

What do we look for when hunting nebula? I thought I might give it a go, but have no idea what to look for. I'd love to see the Orion Nebula (and know where to find it) except our house faces that way, so anyone driving past would probably think me a bit strange! Are there any in the southern sky worth hunting down? What magnification is recommended for doing so?
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Old 20-05-2015, 08:49 PM
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Eta Carina should keep you happy! Finding it is easy. Do you have charts and binos? Can you find the Southern Cross? It's near the cross and visible in binos.
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Old 20-05-2015, 08:53 PM
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Eta Carina should keep you happy! Finding it is easy. Do you have charts and binos? Can you find the Southern Cross? It's near the cross and visible in binos.
The Southern Cross was probably the second constellation that I learned as a child (the first being "the saucepan"). I'll have a nosey on my phone to find where it is.
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Hi Billi.
Which region of the sky do you have a good view of?
The region around the Tarantula Nebula and The Teapot are interesting.
47Tuc is a great globular.
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Old 20-05-2015, 09:20 PM
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Hi Billi.
Which region of the sky do you have a good view of?
The region around the Tarantula Nebula and The Teapot are interesting.
47Tuc is a great globular.
I'm not really sure how to explain my viewing field. It's pretty generous, I don't know the degree of view though that stuff stumps me.
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Old 20-05-2015, 09:40 PM
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Just a idea of whether it's south or east etc will do.
Some of the things I suggested aren't visible at this time of year unless you stay up half the night. It's been that long since I had my scope out I've lost track of what's high in the evening sky! Do you have Stellarium or a similar planetarium software? Stellarium is great, and free!
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Old 20-05-2015, 11:50 PM
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You mentioned the saucepan (Orion), the great nebula in Orion is located around the middle "star" in the handle.

Eta Carina is beautiful and there is a number of open clusters of stars to oogle at too nearby.

Omega Centauri is a globular that is well visible, through the 25mm it will appear as a hazy ball, as you zoom in you will discern that there is a great many stars although the more you zoom in.

Grab yourself a copy of Stellarium and plug in your gps co-ordinates and save it as home, then you can fast forward time and see whereabouts these objects will be at the time you wish to observe. Can give you a head start.
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Old 21-05-2015, 03:08 AM
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Just a idea of whether it's south or east etc will do.
I think most of the sky is visible, with just the western sky being hidden by our house. I can't see Venus or Orion from our backyard because the house blocks them from view.
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Old 21-05-2015, 07:09 AM
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Billi,

Do you have a pair of binoculars? A pair of 10x50 is ideal for scanning the night sky. If so, next time you head out into the backyard with your telescope, take your binoculars and start scanning the southern sky; in particular, the swathe of the Milky Way - it's FULL of nebulae and clusters! At first, you might mistake them for faint wispy clouds, but as your eyes adapt to the dark, you'll start to pick out detail. Then swing your telescope to an interesting patch of sky and start exploring at higher magnification.

A lot of the more famous brighter nebulae span several degrees, and can't be fully captured in the limited field of view of a telescope. For example, Eta Carinae is about two degrees across, the Running Chicken is about 1 degree, the Small Magellanic Cloud spans about 5 degrees, and the Large Magellanic Cloud is a whopping 10 degrees!

It's quite easy to miss them when you're pointing your telescope right at them, because they span across the entire field of view. The only way to see the whole nebula at once is in a low-power wide-angle instrument, such as a pair of binoculars.
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Old 21-05-2015, 07:58 AM
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I've got a pair of 10×50's that need some adjusting. If it's clear tonight I'll take them out and have a squiz I found the tarantula nebula a while ago, but it was fainter than I expected.
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Old 21-05-2015, 08:33 AM
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What do we look for when hunting nebula? I thought I might give it a go, but have no idea what to look for. Are there any in the southern sky worth hunting down? What magnification is recommended for doing so?
Hello Billie,

Nebulae through a scope look like soft glowing smoke. That is the best way I have to describe them. And just like smoke, they are 3D structures even though the may appear flat. And also like smoke, these structures can be quite prominent or ever so soft and faint.

Because they are smoke like, they can be of any shape, size and brilliance. In many instances they can be like angel's breath faint, when you might just be looking for the vaguest of difference in shades of black to make out the nebula - the Horsehead nebula is like this. Others very bright with so much going on it is an extraordinary place - Eta Carina nebula.

Before I continue with mentioning other nebulae, it is a good idea be have some idea of what a nebula is and what is happening within them. This way when you look at ANY nebula, you can understand exactly what is happening to make each individual one glow the way it does, and recognize structures that you see and what forms them. This will help you actually SEE MORE because you now have a more educated outlook.

The best way I have to show you the mechanisms of nebulae is with a link to a fabulous Hubble site of Eta Carina. The nebula is so complex, this site is fantastic resource to understanding nebulae. It will take you through the many different structures within it and what is causing them. Even though it doesn't talk about Planetary nebulae or super nova remnants, it does explain the reasons for why they glow:

Hubble Tour of Eta Carina Nebula

I've also attached sketches I've done of the various nebulae I'll be mentioning to give you an idea of how these look through a scope. These have been done using different sized scopes, and even binos, and from dark sites and from my home in Sydney, so you can get a feel for what can be seen even under light polluted skies.

Eta Carina with a 4" scope from a dark site:

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Eta Carina with a 17.5" scope from my home in Sydney:

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Other nebulae to explore:

* Pan your scope around the area of Eta Carina, as far east as the Southern Cross and all around Eta. There are dozens of nebulae and clusters to discover here. Some nebulae and cluster groups form delightful strings of structures that are best appreciated with low power in a scope or with binos.

Area around Eta Carina with binos from Sydney:

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* M8 and M20 in Sagittarius. The Lagoon and Trifid nebulae are an outstanding pair. The Lagoon is an emission nebula powered by a cluster of massive stars, while the Trifid is combination of reflection and emission. In my 17.5" I see a soft violet colour to the Trifid! But, I also adore this pair in binos and in my 8" f/4 scope where the two fit within the one field of view at low power!!! The little star cluster M21 also fits in the FOV. What makes low power a must here is that surrounding this trio is the mottled structure of the Milky Way and many finger-like dark nebulae. Just delightful.

Lagoon and Trifid with an 8" scope from Sydney:

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* M17, the Swan or Omega nebula. This bright nebula is much more massive than just the bright part that we see. Its extensions are just enormous and require patience and time to follow these tendrils. I also find the crook of the swan's neck staggering as it is 'blacker' than the surrounding Milky Way, meaning that there is a lot of dark material there obstructing the background glow.

Swan with a 17.5" from a dark site:

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* M16, the Eagle. This nebula is bright, but the 'Eagle' structure is very difficult to see and requires a large aperture to make out visually. So fickle is the Eagle that if seeing conditions are not good it will elude detection too.

Eagle with a 17.5" from a dark site:

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All of these above four nebulae are naked eye objects too.

* Mentioned by CJ is the wonderous Tarantula nebula in the galaxy the Large Magellanic Cloud that is orbiting our Milky Way galaxy. It is visible naked eye as a spur on one end of the main bar that forms the LMC. This nebula takes magnification really well so its fiberous structure can be followed. The LMC is also surrounded by literally dozens of other nebulae and clusters. Even a short sweep of one's scope around the Spider will reveal so many of these! This is one very busy place the LMC! It alone contains hundreds of open and globular clusters, and emission, reflection & planetary nebulae, and supernova remnants.

Tarantula with a 17.5" from a dark site:

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* M42, the Great Orion Nebula. Even though the view of it from this time of the year in late May is only brief, it is still a worthy target. Its power comes from the intense tiny cluster the Trapezium. The Trapezium is easy to make out into its main four component stars, Trap. A, B, C & D. A 5" scope and larger will show Trap E and F. Very large apertures will show under very good conditions Trap G, H & I. M42 also holds the easiest dark pillar to see in the whole sky. The "Fish Mouth" is a dark pillar hiding a cluster of proto-stars that are about to kick off their nuclear fire. Evidence for this cluster is that there must be something massive hidden within the pillar that is able to hold onto gas and dust to resist the erosive power of the energy pumped out by the Trapezium. Hubble views of the pillar reveals these proto-stars glowing in the infrared specturm. M42 is a heck of a lot busier than we think of at first...

M42 with an 8" scope from my home in Sydney:

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How to view nebulae:

Start with your lowest power to first spot the likely candidate. Then you can change your eyepieces to see what more or less magnification offers. You can also use Oxygen 3 (OIII) or Ultra High Contrast (UHC) filters to help bring out the nebulae by toning down the continuum of sky glow to just allow very specific wavelengths of light at which these objects glow to be transmitted. Averted vision with many of these nebulae is you best tool as well.

Should get you going for a while...

Mental.
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Old 21-05-2015, 09:12 AM
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Fantastic post mental! Thanks for sharing.

This should be promoted to a "How to observe nebulae" article (it it's not already there!)
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Old 21-05-2015, 09:52 AM
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Thanks heaps for all the info! Now I just have to wait for night to start exploring your sketches are amazing.
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Alex, amazing sketches. I much prefer looking at sketches to photo's for assistance with visual observation
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