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Old 13-03-2017, 02:34 PM
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I don't think implants will happen because we are already tracked with our devices,
Thats still an "opt in" system, and is still difficult for someone to put ALL the data together "for everyone".
"Devices" can be left behind, or you can use a stolen one, and arent designed for "realtime" tracking. Social media use can be bypassed ( for most purposes ) using VPNs etc if you want
A gps chip inside you linked to a dedicated tracking system is another thing??? ( and would be worth a LOT of money to the owner of that system ) Its just a logical next step in JAs timeline above.
Ie who went to an anti govt rally, someone gets mugged or a place burgled, so who was nearby at the time. It would be a massive time saver for the authorities.
The techology is advancing fast enough that this is going to be practical soon, and if its practical, you can bet they will try to implement it.
Just think, when yr self drive car arrives, you just get in and a sensor detects who you re and charges you accordingly.
Same for public transport, shop payments etc
Hmmm, phones can go back to being phones and browsers, without needing finacial security systems :-)

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Old 13-03-2017, 02:54 PM
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For interested readers, a 10 Mar 2017 article by Evans Ackerman at the
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) web site describes how
one publicly-listed Mountain View, California company, Drive.ai, are using
what are termed "deep learning" algorithms to try and reach Level 4
autonomy.

The company was founded in 2015 by deep learning experts from Stanford University’s Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.

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Drive sees deep learning as the only viable way to make a truly useful autonomous car in the near term, says Sameep Tandon, cofounder and CEO. “If you look at the long-term possibilities of these algorithms and how people are going to build [self-driving cars] in the future, having a learning system just makes the most sense. There’s so much complication in driving, there are so many things that are nuanced and hard, that if you have to do this in ways that aren’t learned, then you’re never going to get these cars out there.”
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With a suite of nine HD cameras, two radars, and six Velodyne Puck lidar sensors, each of Drive’s vehicles is continuously capturing data for map generation, for feeding into deep learning algorithms, and of course for the driving task itself. The current sensor loadout is complex and expensive, but as Drive co-founder Joel Pazhayampallil explains, it’s almost certainly overkill, and will be reduced when Drive moves into pilot programs. “I think we’ll need a significantly smaller subset, probably half what we have right now, if that,” Pazhayampallil says. “Our algorithms are constantly improving. We’re constantly getting more and more out of each individual sensor by combining data from the different sensors together. We get some low-resolution depth data from the lidar, and really high-resolution context information from the camera.”

This kind of multimodal redundancy and decision making through deep learning based on fused sensor data has advantages in an autonomous vehicle context. Namely, it offers some protection against sensor failure, since the deep learning algorithms can be trained explicitly on perception data with missing sensor modalities. Deep learning has a significant advantage over rules based approaches here, since rules conflicts can lead to failures that can be, according to Pazhayampallil, “catastrophic.” And sensor failure is most often not a hardware or software issue, but rather a sensor that isn’t producing good data for some reason, like sun glare, darkness at night, or (more commonly) being occluded by water.
The author goes for a test ride.

Article and video here :-
http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-t...-deep-learning

Safety concerns and fears by legislators and the public with self-propelled
vehicles are nothing new.

In 1865 in the U.K, what was known as the "Red Flag Act" mandated that
self-propelled vehicles only be allowed to travel at a maximum of 4mph
in the country and 2mph in the city and that a man carrying a red flag had
to walk in front.
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Old 13-03-2017, 03:26 PM
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Gday Gary
Whilst i can still see these sort of cars becoming common in the CBDs, i think the deep learning would have a hard time a few km outside the CBD. ( Be interesting to see if it could be leveraged for PEC training :-) )
That said, i had also read ( a few years back ) that research was being done for CBD/freeway type operations where a lot of the sensors would be fixed on/in the streets, thus reducing the load on individual transport units, as it would be easier to map the flows. Do you know if more research been done on that??? I can easily see that as a near term possibility, vs a truly autonomous car that can do everything by itself.
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The link above is about driverless taxi in Singapore.
I think I read elsewhere last month it was up and running now I will look into it more when I have more time.
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Old 13-03-2017, 08:45 PM
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Reading about the Californian government laws for driverless cars where the plan is for the manufacturers to make sure they are safe through threat of litigation almost reminds me of the Cold Wars mutally asured destruction. Funny that. I think we should be worried about the transition phase between drivered cars and driverless, if we can't work out what that idiot in front of us is doing with our brain power how are we ever going to be able to programme a computer to do it. Despite all the sensors thatI'm sure the cars are equiped with, can they account for human stupidity, the "P" platers over confidence or the other drivers lack of confidence and the will he/she won't she/he make the turn, change lanes etc.

Implanting chips wih our data, linking things like taxation with banking and everything else and current techology makes me wonder what were we all worried about with the Australia Card, it's all happened anyway, and worse.

Feels good to get that off my chest lol

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Gday Gary
Whilst i can still see these sort of cars becoming common in the CBDs, i think the deep learning would have a hard time a few km outside the CBD. ( Be interesting to see if it could be leveraged for PEC training :-) )
That said, i had also read ( a few years back ) that research was being done for CBD/freeway type operations where a lot of the sensors would be fixed on/in the streets, thus reducing the load on individual transport units, as it would be easier to map the flows. Do you know if more research been done on that??? I can easily see that as a near term possibility, vs a truly autonomous car that can do everything by itself.
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Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the posts.

With the recent advances in in-vehicle sensors, including LIDAR and
cameras, the increase in computing power and the increasing sophistication
of the software, the major players are aiming for Level 4 and Level 5
autonomy and attempting to avoid the necessity for guidance infrastructure
to be built into the roadside.

The cost of these sensors is also dropping, in particular with companies
targeting semiconductor LIDAR's that will only cost a few dollars compared
to the thousands of dollars they cost today.

The first trials of modern autonomous vehicles took place in the country
and not the city, starting with the 2004 DARPA "Grand Challenge"
held in 2004 on dirt tracks in the Mojave Desert.

Back then, not one of the 15 teams that qualified for the final race managed
to finish the 132 mile course.

The following year, in 2005, five teams finished the course.

So in that short span from 2004 to the present, the advances have
been impressive, with the Google cars alone having clocked up well over
2 million miles.

The decision by Google to aim for Level 4/5 was arrived at early
in their trials when the in-car cameras reportedly captured an
engineer horsing around with a notebook computer rather than
being attentive as the backup human driver.

This is similar to the Ford decision to skip Level 3 after multiple
incidents where the engineers would nod-off in the car.
Even when Ford put a second engineer in the car to watch the first,
they were both nodding off.

So the expectation is that the general public would become similarly
blasé when sitting in an autonomous car so the computer better be
capable enough to be in control at all times.

With the majority of car trips taking place in towns and cities, it
will be no surprise if the uptake of autonomous vehicles is initially
stronger in more populated areas.

Several companies are testing autonomous trucks, so it might transpire
that they become a more common sight on rural highways in the future.

A couple of years ago I drove the 857km from Cooktown to the Tip
of Cape York. There was no shortage of gravel roads, potholes,
corrugations, rocks, bulldust and the occasional roadtrain.

By June 2019, even that frontier will be tarmac all the way and so that
drive is likely to be less challenging to a human or computer than the
8km of Pennant Hills Road here in Sydney's north from Hornsby to
Parramatta which is congested and challenging at any time of the day.

When we watch science fiction movies, we seem comfortable with the
notion that in the future we will be accompanied by seemingly intelligent
robots that can acts as scouts, descend to a hostile planet and have
reaction times that can outmanoeuvre any threat.

So in order to make such a future a reality, one might argue
we have to start somewhere.

No doubt the development of autonomous vehicle technology
will not be without incident, unfortunately including some serious accidents.

But if advances in autonomous vehicles begin to reduce accidents and
start to help save lives, then that has to be a goal worth aiming for.
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Old 14-03-2017, 07:49 AM
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Thanks for the extra info
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So in order to make such a future a reality, one might argue
we have to start somewhere.
Agreed. The engineer in me is fascinated by the technology, but the cynic in me is concerned that if it is owned by big business, its going to end up a commercial process, not a functional process ( Bit like privatising the electricity )
Not to mention more logging of everything you do, ( which will bring in even more money )

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The Driverless car - its Achilles' heel will be found and exploited, either for fun, profit or evil.

Tic / Toc

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Intel is betting heavily on a future that includes autonomous vehicles becoming ubiquitous.

In news today, Phillip E. Ross at the IEEE web site, reports on the acquisition
by Intel of an Israeli company, Mobileye, for USD15.3 billion.

Apparently this $15 billion makes Mobileye the third-largest market valuation for any publicly traded Israeli company and is high for an
auto-parts supplier.

No doubt there will be one big celebration party going on at the
Mobileye offices in Jerusalem tonight.

By comparison, Intel itself has a market capitalization of over USD163 billion.

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Intel is buying Mobileye, the Israeli robocar firm, for $15.3 billion. It’s one of the largest robocar acquisitions in a two-year buying frenzy that has swept both the auto industry and the tech companies that want to eat its lunch.

Mobileye made its name selling machine vision systems for driver-assistance features, such as lane keeping and emergency stopping. Unlike many companies, notably Waymo, it has so far eschewed expensive lidar, choosing instead to depend on a single (“mono”) camera. Mobileye has done work for most of the major car makers in the world; the most prominent—but by no means the largest—such relationship was with Tesla Motors, which ended with some acrimony last year.

Intel has thus bought itself not only a full suite of robocar technology but also wide-ranging contacts in the auto industry. Its newly established self-driving unit also incorporates a 15 percent stake, which Intel acquired last month, in Here, a mapping company that BMW, Daimler and Volkswagen bought from Nokia in 2015 for $2.6 billion.
Mobileye was founded in 1999 by one researcher out of an Israeli university.

It showcases the potential for Australian startups who are willing to take
risks to enter into the autonomous vehicle parts supply market.
With the closing of car manufacturing in Australia, it might be the type
of new opportunity the country needs.

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A hiccup?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/uber-sus...25-gv6kn9.html

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Imagine the day when some criminal works out how to hack them, and in one night hundreds of cars self drive out of their owners driveway...
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Imagine the day when some criminal works out how to hack them, and in one night hundreds of cars self drive out of their owners driveway...
Yes hacking .... Imagine a scenario where

1. a group of vehicles is hacked and driven as a group to form a roadblock, which criminals could exploit against police,
2. Used for anonymous pickup of kidnapping ransom, or
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Don't worry I'm sure we will see something on the matter in a Hollywood action movie soon.

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Don't worry I'm sure we will see something on the matter in a Hollywood action movie soon.
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^^^ Nice 1 Gary. But there is a defence against it - Head for hallowed ground !

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^^^ Nice 1 Gary. But there is a defence against it - Head for hallowed ground !

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Likewise I think Red Bull engineers will need to resort to some sort of exorcism
on Daniel Ricciardo's F1 car during this coming week.
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Self-driving cars? As usual, XKCD has an amusing perspective: https://xkcd.com/1559/
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Yes hacking .... Imagine a scenario where

1. a group of vehicles is hacked and driven as a group to form a roadblock, which criminals could exploit against police,
2. Used for anonymous pickup of kidnapping ransom, or
......

Don't worry I'm sure we will see something on the matter in a Hollywood action movie soon.

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Picture the Bourke st attack, but this time there's no driver to deal with. How would you stop the car? Someone in Iran/wherever could be controlling it. Good luck prosecuting anyone.
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Picture the Bourke st attack, but this time there's no driver to deal with. How would you stop the car? Someone in Iran/wherever could be controlling it. Good luck prosecuting anyone.
That would be another terrible scenario. Maybe some form of electronic countermeasure/jamming ... or a Barrett 50 cal. It's a potentially very difficult future we now find ourselves looking towards and impossible to unravel....

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I don't think implants will happen because we are already tracked with our devices,
And after hearing the news this morning i see its already happening in bulk.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...99a6c3c0c64ffa

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