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Old 18-06-2015, 11:36 PM
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M104 and M20

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Finally had a couple of dark clear nights with fairly good seeing and managed to complete a few hours each on M104 and M20. I think that M104 is one of the most striking of all the galaxies and M20 is just beautiful. I wan't sure what to do about M104 colour (seems to be a lot of dust in the way), so tried to match that in the Hubble image. Thanks for looking and appreciate any feedback.

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M104 http://www.astrobin.com/full/187862/0/?real=&mod=

M20 http://www.astrobin.com/full/187859/0/?real=&mod=
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Old 18-06-2015, 11:46 PM
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Well, not much to say Ray other than both are absolutely beautiful views, two of the best versions of both objects I have seen taken with a (true) amateur size instrument from a non pro mountain seeing site

Enjoyed

I know your scope is well tuned but you do seem to get some good seeing...lucky bugger

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Old 19-06-2015, 12:17 AM
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Your image of M20 is absolutely superb. I don't know what the IIS picture of the week is right now but it isn't as pretty as that picture.
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Old 19-06-2015, 01:13 AM
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Simply wow!
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Old 19-06-2015, 02:20 AM
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Ray!!... They are superb! Very easy on the eyes, subtle, but natural looking colours, not overdone, especially M104. I like the fine detail and the background is quite smooth. What were the exposure numbers?

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Old 19-06-2015, 03:22 AM
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After taking a double take on your M104 image. The resolution is excellent. Your mount tracking must be sensibly perfect.

Are those lots of globular clusters around the galaxy itself?
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Old 19-06-2015, 06:42 AM
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Great Images and great username - Shiraz!

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Old 19-06-2015, 06:47 AM
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As always, great images Ray. I particularly like the Sombrero. Getting all that delicate detail in the disc is no easy task.
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Beautiful work, Ray. Two of my favourite targets captured in splendid detail.
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Old 19-06-2015, 07:03 AM
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Woooooow! two absolutely superb images Ray. Both showing amazing detail and very natural. Something to aspire too.
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Old 19-06-2015, 07:58 AM
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Well, not much to say Ray other than both are absolutely beautiful views, two of the best versions of both objects I have seen taken with a (true) amateur size instrument from a non pro mountain seeing site

Enjoyed

I know your scope is well tuned but you do seem to get some good seeing...lucky bugger

Mike
thanks very much Mike - very generous. The seeing has been good at times, but the biggest thing was building an ROR obs. I can now use an aircon to get the scope surrounds quite cool during the day and that has improved local seeing by maybe 1/2 an arcsecond over what I used to get.

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Your image of M20 is absolutely superb. I don't know what the IIS picture of the week is right now but it isn't as pretty as that picture.
thank you Adrian. I agree, it really is a beautiful object.

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Hi Matthew - thanks very much

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Ray!!... They are superb! Very easy on the eyes, subtle, but natural looking colours, not overdone, especially M104. I like the fine detail and the background is quite smooth. What were the exposure numbers?

Josh
Hi Josh. thanks for the kind comments. M104 was 7.5 Lum, 6 RGB and M20 was 3.3 Lum and 3.7 RGB. all 1x1 @ 3 minute subs (3 minutes is about optimum for L with this system under my typical sky, but I also use that for colour to improve stars even though not optimum). There is still a bit of noise in the background, but its not too bad.

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After taking a double take on your M104 image. The resolution is excellent. Your mount tracking must be sensibly perfect.

Are those lots of globular clusters around the galaxy itself?
the mount is not perfect, but it does well enough with some coaxing. Yes, those are globs - Rolf went to the trouble of identifying them in his image at http://www.pbase.com/rolfolsen/image/143968106/original

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Great Images and great username - Shiraz!

Cheers,
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hi Tim. thank you. best winegrape variety in the world!

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As always, great images Ray. I particularly like the Sombrero. Getting all that delicate detail in the disc is no easy task.
Geoff
Thanks very much Geoff. It took a fair bit of time to get reasonable data - I had to discard frames with poor seeing, so a lot of bits ended up on the cutting room floor.

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Beautiful work, Ray. Two of my favourite targets captured in splendid detail.
Mine favourites too Eden, along with NGC253 - thanks for your comments

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Woooooow! two absolutely superb images Ray. Both showing amazing detail and very natural. Something to aspire too.
Hi Rex. thank you for your very generous comment.

Regards Ray
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Old 19-06-2015, 07:58 AM
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Ray, the Trifid is excellent - beautiful handling of the HH jet and the various bow shocks, but the Sombrero is just jaw-droppingly magnificent. Awesome.

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Old 19-06-2015, 08:09 AM
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Two very stunning images Ray. Data expertly handled. Hard to pick which I like best. Perhaps M20. Are these crops or full frame? Looking forward to seeing more.
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Old 19-06-2015, 09:15 AM
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Ray,

That M104 is a great image. Nice stars, the colours very nice throughout the whole image. Best of all, it's not clipped like others I have seen. Very nice job. Nice job on M20 as well.

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Absolutely superb Ray. Incredible image scale and dynamic range. Top processing.
Was that shot with the GSO 300? Trying to work out the FL. That's gotta be over 3m right?

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Stunning Ray.
Just beautiful.
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Old 19-06-2015, 11:14 AM
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Sorry, not so keen on the M20...a little too neon for my liking....but...

What a sublime M104!! Wonderful stuff

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Old 19-06-2015, 12:01 PM
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Ray, the Trifid is excellent - beautiful handling of the HH jet and the various bow shocks, but the Sombrero is just jaw-droppingly magnificent. Awesome.

Best,
M&T
Thanks Mike - really appreciate the comments.

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Two very stunning images Ray. Data expertly handled. Hard to pick which I like best. Perhaps M20. Are these crops or full frame? Looking forward to seeing more.
Hi Jase. thanks a lot. both are crops, with about 0.6 of the M20 and 0.8 of the M104 retained. Cropped to tidy up overlap regions and improve the composition.

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Ray,

That M104 is a great image. Nice stars, the colours very nice throughout the whole image. Best of all, it's not clipped like others I have seen. Very nice job. Nice job on M20 as well.

Terry
Thanks you Terry - spent a lot of time trying to control the stretch so that the clipping was minimal, so appreciate your feedback

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Absolutely superb Ray. Incredible image scale and dynamic range. Top processing.
Was that shot with the GSO 300? Trying to work out the FL. That's gotta be over 3m right?
Hi Marc. many thanks. this was through the SW 250f4. the fl is 1m and the sampling is 0.91 arcsec/pix with the 694 camera.

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Stunning Ray.
Just beautiful.
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Hi Greg. many thanks.

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Sorry, not so keen on the M20...a little too neon for my liking....but...

What a sublime M104!! Wonderful stuff

Thanks for the comments Peter. I am on the long road of trying to understand how colour data behaves under stretching, so appreciate the feedback on M20 - will revisit and see what can be done to tame it.

Regards Ray
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Old 19-06-2015, 12:06 PM
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, so appreciate the feedback on M20 - will revisit and see what can be done to tame it.

Regards Ray
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo, it's absolutely fabulously perfect mate!!!!, seriously, one of the best I have seen, the colour is very similar to Marcus' great version from last year...don't you dare touch that colour...don't you dare (it would be nice to see juuust a touch of teal green in the reflection area though...if that's ok, please)


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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo, it's absolutely fabulously perfect mate!!!!, seriously, one of the best I have seen, the colour is very similar to Marcus' great version from last year...don't you dare touch that colour...don't you dare

OK OK OK, got it.

Actually, I did think that it was a bit too neon when processing, but the data wanted to go that way, so I let it - and I ended up liking it (a bit like eating a grapefruit). I will have another look though, but whatever results will be version 2.
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