ANZAC Day
Go Back   IceInSpace > General Astronomy > General Chat
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 03-12-2019, 08:00 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 6,054
Sydney’s Continuing Smoke Haze

We’ve had about 5 weeks of smoke haze across the greater Sydney basin and it doesn’t look like clearing for a while yet
There’s a huge out of control bushfire west of Sydney and a couple in the Mountains and Hawkesbury areas ( you can see them on the satellite stream)
I put the bins out last night and couldn’t stop coughing it was that bad in my area
While the westerly winds prevail , the Sydney basin will fill up with smoke and this week is no different
Thankfully no reports of loss of life or property with these current fires
I cannot remember the last time we had such a long spell of continuous smoke haze
Hopefully we get some good solid rain soon.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-12-2019, 08:11 AM
Wavytone
Registered User

Wavytone is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Killara, Sydney
Posts: 4,147
Had to happen sooner or later IMHO when you look at how long it has been since most of it was last burnt. Especially the Jamison valley water catchment. If you consider doing fuel reduction burns of say 5% of the state every year, on the basis that each area is burnt roughy once every 20 years, we're falling way short of that - the greenies have effectively locked up the national parks and forested areas and stopped all serious efforts at hazard reduction.

Now you see the result.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-12-2019, 08:37 AM
Retrograde's Avatar
Retrograde (Pete)
a.k.a. @AstroscapePete

Retrograde is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1,635
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavytone View Post
the greenies have effectively locked up the national parks and forested areas and stopped all serious efforts at hazard reduction.

Now you see the result.
Those mysterious omnipotent greenies.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...zard-reduction

Former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, Greg Mullins:
Quote:
He said: “Blaming ‘greenies’ for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.”
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-12-2019, 08:44 AM
N1 (Mirko)
Registered User

N1 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Dunners Nu Zulland
Posts: 1,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retrograde View Post
Those mysterious omnipotent greenies.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/apoc...15-p53az6.html
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-12-2019, 09:13 AM
casstony
Registered User

casstony is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Warragul, Vic
Posts: 4,494
Quote:
Originally Posted by Startrek View Post
I cannot remember the last time we had such a long spell of continuous smoke haze
Down here in the alternate universe I can't remember the last time we had such a long spell of cloudy, wet weather. The paddocks still haven't gone brown since winter.

There must be some astronomy happening somewhere
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-12-2019, 09:54 AM
AstralTraveller's Avatar
AstralTraveller (David)
Registered User

AstralTraveller is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wollongong
Posts: 3,767
The smoke hazy is more intermittent down here, depending on the wind. When things were really bad a few weeks ago there were times when we had NE winds that I couldn't see the escarpment from 1.5km away. I developed bad hay-fever symptoms. However, once the next front moved through things were back to normal.
On Sunday we had soot dropping in the yard and the moon was deep eclipse-red that night. Yesterday it cleared and by last night I could see both Magellanic clouds with a 25% moon in the sky. Today is fine and clear but the haze is predicted to return tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-12-2019, 02:57 PM
Allan_L's Avatar
Allan_L (Allan)
Member > 10year club

Allan_L is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Central Coast NSW
Posts: 3,336
Hmm!
I've seen about 5 stars intermittently in the last 5 weeks. Only low in the east.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-12-2019, 04:13 PM
multiweb's Avatar
multiweb (Marc)
ze frogginator

multiweb is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 22,062
Can't comment on hazard reduction. I'm not a firie on the ground or a specialist in that area. I'd say though that the morons who light fires get away with too little too often. There's no real deterrent. And the bloody problem is not the odd lightning strike or natural causes. It's people doing stupid sh|t.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-12-2019, 04:16 PM
CeratodusDuck (George)
Registered User

CeratodusDuck is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Within the greater Milky Way
Posts: 69
I'm more concerned about loss of life, property, animals and exhausted firies than smoke haze. Water bombers been going all day here.

Astronomy is the last thing on my mind...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-12-2019, 04:34 PM
multiweb's Avatar
multiweb (Marc)
ze frogginator

multiweb is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 22,062
This is corner of cowpasture road and M7 right now.
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (20191203_162923.jpg)
195.4 KB100 views
Click for full-size image (20191203_162938.jpg)
199.0 KB79 views
Click for full-size image (20191203_162918.jpg)
197.0 KB99 views
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-12-2019, 04:41 PM
Nikolas's Avatar
Nikolas (Nik)
Dazed and confused

Nikolas is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3,268
We have had nothing but cloud down South
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-12-2019, 05:13 PM
AndyG's Avatar
AndyG (Andy)
No. I am a meat popsicle.

AndyG is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Townsville
Posts: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by multiweb View Post
Can't comment on hazard reduction. I'm not a firie on the ground or a specialist in that area. I'd say though that the morons who light fires get away with too little too often. There's no real deterrent. And the bloody problem is not the odd lightning strike or natural causes. It's people doing stupid sh|t.
For me (or anyone) to elaborate would break the TOS. Needless to say, I agree.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-12-2019, 11:15 AM
pgc hunter's Avatar
pgc hunter
Registered User

pgc hunter is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Renmark, SA
Posts: 2,980
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikolas View Post
We have had nothing but cloud down South
And sensationally below average temps.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-12-2019, 11:23 AM
multiweb's Avatar
multiweb (Marc)
ze frogginator

multiweb is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 22,062
Been checking the fire maps for a month now and see the progression. Something I am wondering. I realise there are a finite number of funding, fire fighters, trucks, heli, planes, etc... and also that some areas just have no access by ground. Having said that some of the fires start really small then get bigger then bloody huge and start other fires, etc... Wouldn't it make sense to hammer the small ones before they get over a certain size? Obvioulsy when the sh|t has hit the fan and it's too late and everything is burning you save houses and people, but at the very beginning. When they're only really small spot fires. Or am I missing something?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-12-2019, 10:43 PM
Wavytone
Registered User

Wavytone is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Killara, Sydney
Posts: 4,147
As I said before - fires will do what should have been done previously, ie get rid of the gumtrees.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-12-2019, 08:54 AM
Startrek (Martin)
Registered User

Startrek is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Sydney and South Coast NSW
Posts: 6,054
We know that the forest floor fuel loads are increasing year by year which increases the risk exponentially, and we know a small scrub fire or spot fire can turn into a 10km raging fire front in a matter of hours if a dry strong westerly wind whips up
My question is, how do these small spot fires start in the first place when they are located mostly in remote state forests with limited or no road access
Surely lightning is not the only cause ?

Any thoughts on that ?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-12-2019, 11:41 AM
Camelopardalis's Avatar
Camelopardalis (Dunk)
Drifting from the pole

Camelopardalis is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 5,429
Quote:
Originally Posted by casstony View Post
Down here in the alternate universe I can't remember the last time we had such a long spell of cloudy, wet weather. The paddocks still haven't gone brown since winter.

There must be some astronomy happening somewhere
Theoretically, up here but it's unusually dry and hot...not the usual humid and tumultuous sub-tropics. Everything is so dry. It's normally lush and green at this time of year (from the spring rain storms).

I say "theoretically" as I'm not convinced the seeing has been any good, and BrisVegas has sporadically had some smoke blow in...
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-12-2019, 11:53 AM
FlashDrive's Avatar
FlashDrive (Poppy)
Senior Citizen

FlashDrive is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bribie Island
Posts: 5,059
I feel for you folks down there, not only because of the fires ...it must be ' choking ' for some ...terrible.

Because of my heart condition , I have chronic fatigue and have a breathing issue ...some days aren't too bad,...but others I just have to rest all day.

If I lived down there, no doubt I would be at A&E in no time.

Stay Safe

Col

Last edited by FlashDrive; 05-12-2019 at 02:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-12-2019, 12:22 PM
AstralTraveller's Avatar
AstralTraveller (David)
Registered User

AstralTraveller is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wollongong
Posts: 3,767
Chicken and egg

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavytone View Post
As I said before - fires will do what should have been done previously, ie get rid of the gumtrees.
Australian used to be covered in rainforest. Go back far enough and the place was dominated by Glossopteris and the ancestors of the Wollumi pine. Even after the rise of flowering plants it was all thick lush vegetation. Early Acacias (wattles) included rainforest giants. Then, as the continent drifted north two things happened. First the opening of the Southern Ocean and the establishment of the circum-antarctic current cooled and dried the global climate. Second, Australia moved under the descending side of the Hadley circulation.

The combined effect was to dry Australia, leading to an increased fire regime. Under these conditions a new genus, Eucalyptus, became successful in the remaining woodlands because it can tolerate fires better than competing species. Some parts of the continent became too dry even for Eu. and they are now dominated by a drought-tolerant Acacia (mulga) or Triodia grass (spinifex).

The point is that the climate lead to the fires and they lead to the Eucalypts. Replacing the Eucs would simply lead to forests that can't recover after a fire. I also wonder where the understory vegetation fits in your plan. Also, what about native animals and birds? I haven't seen many nesting hollows in Pinus radiata.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-12-2019, 01:25 PM
codemonkey's Avatar
codemonkey (Lee)
Lee "Wormsy" Borsboom

codemonkey is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kilcoy, QLD
Posts: 2,058
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopardalis View Post
I say "theoretically" as I'm not convinced the seeing has been any good, and BrisVegas has sporadically had some smoke blow in...
The seeing has been garbage up near Kilcoy, and there's been a fair bit of smoke and dust around... all up not a good year for imaging conditions.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 03:40 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement
Testar
Advertisement