Shopping for new DSLR, Help

[aljo2345]

Hi Everyone, I am looking at purchasing a new DSLR for deep sky astrophotography, something around the $1000 mark. Currently, I am considering the Canon 80D. My main scope is a LX90 8". I would be grateful for any advice or recommendations.

Thanks

Alex

[casstony]

For a few years now the equivalent Nikons have had less noisy sensors than Canon. I've got a Nikon D5600 that I'm happy with so far, much less noisy than our Canon 600D.

The D5600 is light weight and relatively cheap too.

[Merlin66 (Ken)]

What about a modded Canon 450 or 1000D?
These are well used and supported for AP.

[aljo2345]

I was thinking the 80D, as it is advertised as 24mp, as having low noise CCD, live view and tillable rear LCD screen (thinking easier focusing). I want to avoid modifying if possible as the wife wants to use it as a general shooter as well. So I'm thinking best unmodified cam. I am also looking a canon camera body only, I still also want to use my canon lenses.

Sill, I would reconsider all the above based on advice.

thanks.

ALex

[aljo2345]

Originally Posted by casstony

For a few years now the equivalent Nikons have had less noisy sensors than Canon. I've got a Nikon D5600 that I'm happy with so far, much less noisy than our Canon 600D.

The D5600 is light weight and relatively cheap too.

Hmmm, the Nikon does look good!

[leon]

Alex you cant go past the Canon 5D although a few years old it will give perfect images with extremely low noise.
When they were first on the market they cost $5000.00 body only, now one one can get one for under $500.00 and they still do the same job.
I have 3 and use them all the time, well not all at once of coarse

If you want a good second hand one send a PM

Leon

[miki63au]

Well, get two


I bought a full frame 6D with prime lenses and some zooms.



The second one is a 1100D .... bought it for $150.
Took the risk and 'butchered' it. Full spec mod... screen removed and in the opening installed a 2-stage Peltier cooler.

With BackyardEOS, no need screen.


My 2c.


Mick

[Fernando]

Just got a Canon 6D to replace my "10 years old and tired" Canon 50D. Planning to shot with it + SW Esprit 120 ED this coming weekend.


Regards, Fernando

[aljo2345]

Originally Posted by Fernando

Just got a Canon 6D to replace my "10 years old and tired" Canon 50D. Planning to shot with it + SW Esprit 120 ED this coming weekend.


Regards, Fernando

Canon 6D, Nice! Which version?

[aljo2345]

Originally Posted by leon

Alex you cant go past the Canon 5D although a few years old it will give perfect images with extremely low noise.
When they were first on the market they cost $5000.00 body only, now one one can get one for under $500.00 and they still do the same job.
I have 3 and use them all the time, well not all at once of coarse

If you want a good second hand one send a PM

Leon

Is the for sale the Mark II version?

[raymo]

Whatever you choose, make sure it has an articulated LCD screen, worth
its weight in gold.
raymo

[aljo2345]

Is a full frame DSLR essential, if the resolution is the same with smaller DSLR ccd sensor?

[aljo2345]

Originally Posted by raymo

Whatever you choose, make sure it has an articulated LCD screen, worth
its weight in gold.
raymo

Thanks, agreed!

[Startrek (Martin)]

Have a look at Roger Clark's review of the Canon 7D mark 11 ( clarkvision.com )
One of the best Canon APC-C DSLR's for Astrophotography
Low dark current, good Ha response, high sensitivity
Only drawback is its quite heavy at 910grams and they are not cheap at around $2000 new

When my 9 year old 600D finally gives up, the 7D mark 11 will be my next camera

[cometcatcher (Kevin)]

Don't need an articulated screen if you use a HDMI cable and hook up a monitor. That's what I did to my modded 1100D in the observatory. Not quite stand alone anymore though.

[OzEclipse (Joe Cali)]

Originally Posted by aljo2345

Is a full frame DSLR essential, if the resolution is the same with smaller DSLR ccd sensor?

If two cameras, one full frame, one APS-C have 24Mpx sensors, the full frame will have much bigger pixels. the pixels are not as packed, so the full frame will, as a general principle, run cooler and be more sensitive.

Canon have not made the advances in their sensors that all the other brands have over the past 10 years.

Check out this page and pay special attention to the sports column.
https://tinyurl.com/y94j443w

Sports rating is the ISO at which the noise is -30dB at a standard low light level used for this test. The higher the ISO, the lower the noise.

The Canon 80D released 2016, rates ISO1135. Compare this to the Pentax K5 released 2010 which rates a little higher at ISO1162.

The 5D full frame mentioned elsewhere is getting pretty old now, only rates ISO1360, about the same a brand new $1000 NIKON APSC DSLR.

There are a swathe of recent release APSC DSLR's in your price range that are much lower noise than any of the new Canon APS DSLR cameras in your price range.

If your partner wants to use it for normal shooting then that probably rules out all of the mirrorless and electronic finder Sony's assuming she wants an optical finder but still leaves Nikon D3300, 5500, 7500. The D7500 is the pick of these for astrophotography ISO1480 available for about $1150.

Canon need to invest less in advertising and buying endorsements from professional photographers and more into product development. Ten years ago they were the obvious choice, now they trail the pack at most price points.

If you already have a bunch of good Canon lenses then it probably makes sense to go Canon and compromise on performance. But if brand is open, look at the specs at your specific price point.

cheers

Joe

[glend (Glen)]

The Nikon D5300 is a bargain but gives you a great APS-C and produces wonderful 24mb photos. Good low light performance, the sensor does not heat up the way many DSLRs do.

[aljo2345]

Originally Posted by OzEclipse

If two cameras, one full frame, one APS-C have 24Mpx sensors, the full frame will have much bigger pixels. the pixels are not as packed, so the full frame will, as a general principle, run cooler and be more sensitive.

Canon have not made the advances in their sensors that all the other brands have over the past 10 years.

Check out this page and pay special attention to the sports column.
https://tinyurl.com/y94j443w

Sports rating is the ISO at which the noise is -30dB at a standard low light level used for this test. The higher the ISO, the lower the noise.

The Canon 80D released 2016, rates ISO1135. Compare this to the Pentax K5 released 2010 which rates a little higher at ISO1162.

The 5D full frame mentioned elsewhere is getting pretty old now, only rates ISO1360, about the same a brand new $1000 NIKON APSC DSLR.

There are a swathe of recent release APSC DSLR's in your price range that are much lower noise than any of the new Canon APS DSLR cameras in your price range.

If your partner wants to use it for normal shooting then that probably rules out all of the mirrorless and electronic finder Sony's assuming she wants an optical finder but still leaves Nikon D3300, 5500, 7500. The D7500 is the pick of these for astrophotography ISO1480 available for about $1150.

Canon need to invest less in advertising and buying endorsements from professional photographers and more into product development. Ten years ago they were the obvious choice, now they trail the pack at most price points.

If you already have a bunch of good Canon lenses then it probably makes sense to go Canon and compromise on performance. But if brand is open, look at the specs at your specific price point.

cheers

Joe

Thanks for the great advice Joe.

[aljo2345]

Originally Posted by glend

The Nikon D5300 is a bargain but gives you a great APS-C and produces wonderful 24mb photos. Good low light performance, the sensor does not heat up the way many DSLRs do.

Hi Glen, looks promising, have you any examples (pic) using the camera. Would be great to see?

[axle01 (Alan)]

Have a look at the Sony A7s and a really good cheap camera for astro that doesn't have to be modded is the Fuji XT-1

Al