I'm not sure at the moment. I saw jupiter at my parent's place two weeks ago and it was fairly low in the sky at dark. I had to go away on holiday (holidays can be terribly inconvenient sometimes) so last night was my second time to use it, but the place I am at has trees all around so I can't see the horizon. Stellarium (
http://www.stellarium.org/) has Jupiter just above the horizon at 8:30pm, but i don't know how easy it is to see that far down.
I want to see Saturn but i've been too tired to get up in the morning. Maybe in a couple of weeks when I'm back out this way again....