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Old 29-09-2018, 02:41 PM
clive milne
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The people whose names you throw in are simply very mean individuals. Why do they have to be foremost "jewish"? That's ridiculous and idiotic. Plus it is ousted as antisemitic. It's Nazi speech and Nazi thought. It's racist.
I didn't actually make a single reference to the fact that these individuals are Jewish.

fwiw) Here are some links to articles published in the Jewish Israeli media (amongst others) saying exactly what I pointed out.
btw) The Haaretz article may only be accessible in full if you are a subscriber (it's free on a limited basis)

Haaretz: Rothschild, Murdoch, Netenyahu, Golan, Afek oil and gas, et al):
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...find-1.5407615

Genie Energy, board of directors, Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy

Netanyahu: "Syria Disintegration Allows for 'Different Thinking' on Future of Golan Heights":
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pre...olan-1.5375030

Zvi Hauser, (Netanyahu's cabinet secretary from 2009 to 2013)
"Syria's collapse an historic opportunity for Israel in the Golan Heights."
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pre...olan-1.5375030

Quote:
There's no need to look for a jewish conspiracy when you're looking for US or others' motives to protect Israel.
Yes, about that...
Destabilising Syria is not about protecting Israel.
Were you aware that Israel has completed over 200 unprovoked bombing missions in Syria during the last 18 months, in complete violation of international law?
from the Jewish Telegraphic agency:
https://www.jta.org/2018/09/04/news-...nce-early-2017

Damascus international airport targeted:
https://www.jta.org/2018/09/16/news-...mascus-airport



Going back to 1967:
On the taking of the Golan heights by General Moshe Dayan (The Lion of Zion)
"I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.''
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/11/w...the-golan.html

Going back to 1948:
Here's Menachem Begin (Mieczysław Biegun)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...srpnu_1948.jpg

Note the poster in the background showing the boundaries of "Greater Israel".

Quote:
"Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And forever."

^^^ They're not done yet.

How was Begin regarded by other Jews?
Here's a a letter signed by Albert Einstein, Sidney Hook, Hannah Arendt, and other prominent Americans and several rabbis which described Begin's Herut party as "terrorist, right-wing chauvinist organization in Palestine, "closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties" and accused his group (along with the smaller, militant, Stern Gang) of preaching "racial superiority" and having "inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community".

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/New_P...ment_Discussed

Were these guys driven by Antisemitism in warning about what they considered to be a truly dangerous political movement? Clearly not!

The Irgun terrorist movement ceased to exist in 1948. At Menachem's direction the fighters were absorbed in to the newly formed Israeli Defence force and he went on to found the Likud party which has dominated Israeli politics since the 1970's. (becoming the Prime Minister twice)

Was the Irgun created to defend Jews?

To answer that, consider this propaganda poster of the Irgun, circa 1931:
https://riversong.files.wordpress.co...gun-emblem.jpg

The inscription translated from Hebrew reads:
Only Thus (by force)

Think about the date for a second... 1931...

Here's a close up:
https://kickasshistory.files.wordpre...rgunposter.jpg

On the subject of using the "anti-semitism" term.

A Semite is defined as being of the blood of Shem (Son of Noah).
S(h)emites by definition, therefore include Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.

I would have thought that if the descendants of Eastern Europeans (who's claim to Judaism is that their ancestors converted to Talmudic Pharisaism some thousand years ago) ~Khazars~
...IF, hypothetically, those guys were to bomb Arabs in Syria (blood of Abraham) without a damned good reason, well, that would genuinely constitute antisemitism, No?

fwiw) My Israeli friends and my Jewish family don't consider my understanding of Jewish history to constitute racism or antisemitism.. most of them don't actually care too much for the intrigue. They are happy to lead normal lives.... So I am pretty confident that it is not a conspiracy which fairly defines all "Jews"...

That being said, some of them are really not pleased about what is being done in their name.

~c

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