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Thanks everyone.
Chris/Mark - I tried the bahtinov mask without much luck at 18mm I just didn't get the spikes - I'll try again centred on a brighter star. I just find even zooming in on the camera's screen doesn't help much. Guess I will have to run it through the laptop so I can see a bigger piccie.
I went to look at the Tonkina 11-16 and the Sigma 10-22 - holy moly, wasn't expecting them to be so much. Guess you get what you pay for.
niko
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