Thanks Rob and Paddy,the night got better as the galaxy got lower and was able to hold the SN for a few seconds at a time even though the seeing only improved by a factor of 1 or so.
I hope to be able to follow the SN for the next few weeks to see if it brightens noticable.
At 90,000,000 LY or so it is amazing we can see it at all
I tried a 9mm+ 2x barlow but the seeing was just not upto it
Cheers