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thanks for your advise Al. I've been looking for a while now and value for money as a starting point they seemed very reasonable. My main concerns were in the quality, and from your info I can see that they are ok. I can get the E410 with a zuiko (i think thats how it was spelt), single lens kit for $699 from the local camera shop, so price wise its very cheap compared to any of the others I looked at. thanks again.
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