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Thank you both for your input ,i will never forget the view with the 22mm through a TOA 130 it was perfect for me and such a comfortable eyepiece to view through and found it hard to pull away from the view so i have bought the 8,13,17 used and had to buy the 22mm new from Myastroshop and he only had 1 left,seems they have nearly sold out all over the world new ,i do not think it will be long before they are very hard to get ,the 17 is of the older build and it is said that the older coatings are slightly better at splitting double stars but don't have the light transmission the newer ones have .
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