thanks Silv
Ok Al ill try your plan off attack first
what do you think of the Nikon Monarch DCF 12x56?
link is
http://www.bintel.com.au/Binoculars/...oductview.aspx
and i could add a stand with it aswell?
http://www.bintel.com.au/Binoculars/...oductview.aspx
also who would sell these high quality star maps? just so i can go check them out and compare
i have an ipad2 with distant suns and sky safari on it can that be used aswell